By Muslim Mirror News,
New Delhi: ‘I challenge you for a one-to-one televised debate in Delhi. If you have the guts, accept it’ tweets former Supreme Court Judge Markandey Katju.
Justice Katju has openly challenged controversial Islamic preacher Zakir Naik for a debate.
Zakir Naik is facing a probe by Indian govt after the news surfaced that the Dhaka terrorists were inspired from his teachings.
If Dr Zakir Naik accepts the challenge of justice Katju then it will be the one of the most interesting debate of our time.
Here is the text of the letter that Mr Katju sent to Zakir Naik.
After sending the letter to Zakir Naik , justice Markandey Katju has shared the text of the letter on his twitter handle.
Below is the text of the letter that Mr Katju sent to Zakir Naik.
Dear Dr. Zakir Naik,
I am Justice Markandey Katju, former Judge of the Supreme Court of India. I hereby challenge you to a one-to-one televised debate in Delhi any day and any time on the subject ‘ Science and Religion ‘. I wish to prove in this debate that all religions, including yours, are superstitions, while the truth lies in science, which is constantly developing Please let me know soon whether you are agreeable ? The details can be mutually worked out.
Regards
Oh just hold it there. Have I correctly read that Justice Katju said that, “I wish to prove in this debate that all religions, including yours, are superstitions, while the truth lies in science, which is constantly developing.”
If Yes. Then I must say Justice Katju has made a great Mistake.Because there is actually no scientific basis that can tell you that God does not exist. It is not science’s domain to test whether there is God or not.Science is simply a tool to test what is empirically true.Science operates on induction. The inductive method entails searching out things in the world and drawing generalized conclusions about those things based on observations. Scientists can only draw conclusions on what they find, not on what they can’t find.So how can Science disprove something which they can’t see and will never be able to.As GOD cannot be seen for sure.Because from Qur’an we know that GOD is unlike His creation [See Qur’an 42:11].And, No vision can grasp Him[see Qur’an 6:103].
So Justice Katju has made a blunder as his emotions are running high. And If he wants to discuss about physical laws of universe, that will too not help him.
Dear Mr. Katju,
U r retd. Justice katju, that retd. Is missing with your name,
Niw for debate, in what capacity u want to debate, how many do u have any experience of a live debate with a scholar of comparative relegion and thelogy,
No need for Dr. Zakir Naik to respond to your silly email asking for a debate, you can go to IRF in Bombay and seek a time for debate with any student of ur choice at IRF…..
My dear friend religious scriptures represent some thought process. Yes science is not getting any existence of god. How can you say what ever written in any scriptures are true and can not be chalenge. Ok let accept the fact that God is there and he is creator of entire universe. So a person understanding God by reading those scriptures can able understand the universe as well. So we don’t need NASA, ISRO or any other laboratory to study the universe. These superhuman beings can give us sufficient information about planet MARS. We don’t need any MARS mission to understand this planet. Am I correct?
sOrry for late reply.Mr.Ashok I studied science. In fact I love science because it explores the mystery. But using science as a yardstick to proving existence or non-existence of God is a not only futile attempt but a stupid one.
And I didn’t said anything in my comment that we shouldn’t study science and just believe in religious books Did I??
It is not science’s domain to test whether there is God or not. !!! lolz… then what is the religions domain?… tales after tales of big books?.. telling what ever told in this book is true because the book says it is truth itself… funny …
Mr.Myseld You know what. If you have got nothing to say then please don’t utter rubbish.
Science can indirectly prove that God never exists if not directly. As per religion theory Humans are created by God however, science has empirically showed that it is a result of evolution and all the DNA sequence, protein sequence data proved that further. Anyone with rational view can not today accept that the fact the humans are the superior organism than others. Many other organism outperforms human being therefore, it is evident that science is a tool to enlighten our knowledge base and get rid of all superstitions
Even I can debate with him. He is a fool person & gives wrong information about hindu scriptures. He says prophet Muhammad is a Kalki avataar which is really funny. Attendees are mostly muslims & they like such jokes.
why he studied your book ? we dont know ..to debate with you ,
in Islam, no need of jakir & his team..no need of peace TV..and social sites to promote islam ..
Brother,
Dr. Zakir is the person who is teaching real SANATHAN dharma to so called hindu people, otherwise out of thousand not a single hindu read their religious scripture.
The Brahmins pundits are making fool to all so called hindu people and looting money of poor people in the name of religion
Atleast Hindu doesnt say to blow urself up or to kill Kaffir.
DEAR HINDU
DID YOU READ KALKI AVATAR AND UNDERSTAND IT. AT LEAST YOU HAVE WITH YOU I MEAN IN YOUR HOME VEDAS ETC. FIRST READ AN UNDERSTAND THEN TALK.
OK
Once I sent an E.mail to katju on the Faith matter & He did not reply.
These People along with inimical Historians believed that Giants used to live in this world. But Holy Prophet Mohammed(MSAS) informed MUslims what were unknown to Historians: that Holy Prophet Adam,The First human on Earth was 90 Feet tall & gradually Human become shorter.
The Foot size of Prophet Adam was discovered : over 7 feet Long.
Holy Saleh & Holy Imran & His generations were described in Holy Quran as very strong & powerful people who could uproot trees & made building in mountains now being discovered. Holy Prophet Saleh & Imran rest in OMAN Muslim yards & They were over 40 feet tall.Go & visit the sites.
If Katju base his belief on science: He must know even the Socrates
believed in Meta Physics.
NASA is delighted that Their Ship nested in Jupitar after 5 years of Journey. I wrote to NASA scientists that ALLAH SWT mentioned about
13 Planets 13 Times. All These Planets swim in the ocean of space below the First heaven. Not Above. For ALLAH SWT told we human through Holy Quran & blessed prophet that HIS Angels travel in a day the span of which is 50,000 years Journey. They Travel through the stairs what Scientists call “Worm Holes”
I will invite so called Justice to read The Bible The Quran & science to add to his knowledge.
ALLAH SWT plainly informed Human being through the Scriptures sent to Holy prophet Enoch ( Who did not die in this Earth) & all other holy Books about the Creation & then sent in the Final Encyclopedia The holy Quran about the created & the creation. That HE created everything from dark energy (Unknown to Science) and water.
He Created Creatures in all Planets & water is there. NASA must note it. That the Universe was a closed Book & ALLAH SWT opened the Book to show HIS glory to us all & that We recognize HIS power & submit & praise none but HIM alone.
In return HE will reward us with permanent life & living in paradise.
That This universe is a test University & will meet Big crunch .
This whole universe will meet total demolition & destruction as & when HE pleases. The Universe will become Smoky vapor & water as before big Bang.
HE will be all alone until HE recreate the Permanent Earth & Universe
& revive all & call for the day of Assembly of all Creations for test
& award of Hell or permanent blissful Paradise.
I ask So called: If there is no CREATOR: Why Scientists die, get old, cannot forecast when they will die.
Why they cannot measure the Oceanic power of water & wind, can never fight with Lightning, Thunders, Cyclone, Volcanic Eruption & Free Wills.
ALLAH the ALMIGHTY Ever Glorified informed us 1400 Years ago
What science discover today.
Science can never control the universe from Big Contraction & therefore I invite all to know that there is the Supreme CREATOR who controls the Universe & created us with free will to go to the Right path or chose day to day merriment, idol Worship, enjoy nude films &
loot the people & do all injustice with their ugly humanly power.
And write against all Muslim Preachers including Dr.Zakir naik.
hi I hear often that in quran its written four holy books were written by god, I have two basic questions that if god had written the first holy book torah why did he write another book had god forgotten to write something in the first book or there was need that something new had happened and had to be added due to the changing times, (because god cannot make a mistake so we don’t expect him to write something which has to be corrected) and the second observation is that if he has a system that due to changes in times new books will keep on coming then we should expect a new book to come down anytime as I think in 1400 years we have changes from riding a camel to ride a car.
I think this god or no god is a baseless talk religion is a personal matter and we should be tolerant in whatever way anyone is following his life instead of fighting whose book or whose god is bigger and more right.
Regarding zakir naik once he was asked that why is preaching of any other religion not permitted in many Islamic countries, he gave the answer that as the Islamic countries know that islam is the only correct religion as it is the only one which preaches 2+2=4 whereas all other relegions either tell it to be 3 or 5 so I think what he is preaching is only hatred towards other relegions by telling that they all are wrong he is certainly is a hate preacher in garb of peace TV
Let me correct you one by one.
First of All God didn’t wrote Holy Book but revealed on His Chosen one i.e., Prophets via Angel Gabriel to guide people.
Second, First Holy Book was not Torah but rather Scrolls of Prophet Noah, which has been overtime forgotten and destroyed by the people of Noah and the generations that followed Him.
Thirdly, God didn’t forgot anything.The earlier prophets and their books were sent to a particular people in particular periods of history hence time bound. Once the period ended, a new prophet was sent with a new book confirming what was before to replace the previous book that the nation has corrupted. If you read Gospel and Quran you will find Jesus teaching to the Jews.
Fourthly,Not necessary we require new revelation with every passing time as God understands His creation better than the creation know themselves. All the Prophets were sent to a particular people. But,Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet whom Allah sent, and he was not sent to a particular people or a particular time. He was sent to all of mankind until the end of the world.So with the seal of Prophethood the revelations also ended.
Next you said, ” if he has a system that due to changes in times new books will keep on coming then we should expect a new book to come down anytime as I think in 1400 years we have changes from riding a camel to ride a car.”- Well,that was his will, revelation was never meant to be something that would last forever, nor was it ever specified that revelation would always be given to humans.As Muslims, we believe that in the revelations God has given to us, that he has specified everything we need to know concerning who he is, why he created us, and what he expects from us in order to achieve salvation. Therefore the need of revelation was no longer needed because the revelation had achieved it’s goals.
Finally,Zakir Naik was not preaching hatred. Truth by nature is Exclusive. All religion can’t be right. We firmly believe ISLAM is right and only way for salvation. The problem is you believe in pluralism which contradicts the nature of Truth and hence you haven’t got the ability to digest and take the truth. You don’t use your brain,rather you take your Pandit’s and Guruji’s word and swallow it like a pudding.No desire to use your Rational faculty.
PERIOD!
Alhamdulillah. A very good answer
mr.katju you are talking is what totally absurd!!how can a intellectual like u be so disrespectful and convey such disregards to a community,sorry but i have to say that either you are too biased or too ignorant towards indian partition age history jinnah was going inhands with INC for partition for their respective political benefits but our legends like maulana azad,maulana shaikul islam madni,maulana iliyaz abdul gaffar khan where strongly opposing the partition at times when they where informed.They did organise a campaign against partition v still have placards of which in sharanpur it was a betrayal for us to by not informing about the plan of partition before hands to have our verdicts.But then too we stood against on other hand we have a community which still fights for a seprate nation as a mission on religious obligations..
Debating with Dr Naik is pointless, it is about belief, if one’s belief is absolute, then there is no point in debating. as Saaz Momin says God cannot be debated because it is a belief, and qua’rn is his word is the absolute belief for Dr Naik. You can engage him in his interpretation of the Holy book but then he belives that his argument is right. So it is a pointless excercise., as he is undefeatable. Just leave him alone!
Katju doesnt have enough knowledge of about religious matters…
I dont think it will be a debate…rether may be a learning class for katju…
If Dr. Zakir accepts this request of yours Mr. Katju then write it down that either you will regret it your whole life or you will come closer to Islam bi’idhnillaah. Mr. Katju doesn’t know what is he putting his head into subhaan Allaah.
Mr.Katju if no God is there then plz prove me who made human.
What Allah made no science can ever create.
Tell ur science to create nature,natural calamity,feelings,Air,Allah made universe and mr.Katju till now also I challenge u?can u prove how many types of creatures and other nature exist.
And each and every religion give a massage of love …..
Now u r telling all people are fool because they worship their God.
Now u believe science which given birth by Human brain.
Science can only measure values and do testing on which is made by God years and years ago science cannot make this …..
We are not fool…people who think no God exist I thing they are fool…..
We have to respect each and every religion
Mr Khan. No body is challenging the existence of God. God is so powerful we can not even imagine the power of God. We don’t have any definition to Infinite. Can you please let me know what is the largest number exists? So God is infinite. A person if claiming that he understand God by reading those scriptures, then he must understand the entire universe. He must have a scientific answer to every thing and must have the capacity to prove it any where. The way I believe in God can not be same as yours. So we can say God is an abstraction. An abstraction should be kept at very personal label. It should not influence the society. If some body say you can rape the female slaves, is it the word of God. If scriptures are saying you can beat your wife (lightly or heavily or privately does not mater) is it the word of God. When we are saying God is the creator of entire universe(which is extremely complex infront of us) can God will be promote such type dirty things. Kindly respod
Mr. Ashok can that entity be called God who marries 16008 women and have sexual intercourse with?And then screw so many gopis, eventually overpopulate the earth & then destroy his own family for weighing down the earth?
Can that entity be called God who rapes another man’s wife?
Can that entity be God who Lusts after his own daughter and begets and not only that he discharges semen by masturbating on seeing his grand-daughter?
Finally, produce your proof if you are truthful from Quran that it encourages rape of female slaves and asked us to beat wife just because she is the wife of a man?
First of no scriptures are correct. They represent some thought process. What ever you are mentioning about Lord Krishna and Gopi relationship there is a complex theory behind it. I have no interest to accept it or reject it. If you want to know in detail you need to read and listened to the scholars behind it. I don’t have any interest in this subject. More ever most of Hindu society peoples are not accepting it in their own life. Otherwise Hindus could have kept lot many wives. Regarding you are asking about proof, your own Muslim scholars are spreading these message in internet. This man Zakir Naik in one of the video supporting to sex with female slaves. Please follow up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy27jcEGn_g link. Similarly in Pakistan recently the religious groups are trying to pass a bill which allow to beat wife lightly as and when required. They are saying it is not wrong as per Islamic law. There are so many facts are avilable in internet and youtube.
I don’t why people like Zakir Naik are th the role model for Muslim people. There are so many Muslim intellectuals like APJ Abdul Kalam, amir khusro, maulana abul kalam azad, eminent Pakistani scientist like Abdus Salem, Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy and much more are avilable . Please listen to Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy. Even I am a great fan of him.
Brother Ashok have you ever read Holy Quran?????
if not please do so then have arguments of religious scriptures,
otherwise its just like a hungry person standing in front of tasty delicious food but no money keep telling food is not good.
Please read and understand basic science. Otherwise you will become a frog of dark pond which he consider as the alitimate world. But a bigger universe is present outside of it
Mr.Ashok I know Sanskrit as in school I read it for 3 years. And I know the words and meanings. I INDEPENDENTLY Read your scriptures both online and library. I also request you to learn Sanskrit and read your scriptures in order to know the hidden fact. Your scholars maximum times suppress the truth to deceive masses as very few people in india actually know Sanskrit.
As for beating issue, Islam allows us to be harsh with wife only when they’re expressing open lewdness. Otherwise men must be nice and fair. But before beating we must adopt two Islamic steps i.e.,Talk to them not to do it again, and then Don’t share the bed with her to show that you are upset and angry with her. Even after that she don’t mend her ways then resort to beating in a manner that it shouldn’t break her skin or any mark left.The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.I ask you a simple question that,what will you do if your wife have an affair with other men outside your knowledge or are sleeping with other men when you are at office? What will you do. Trust me you will go crazy and in the hit of the moment you may kill her. Lotsa cases are there.
Finally, am aware of rubbish all over internet. If you want good websites to know about Islam I can give you for references.
As for sex slaves, Sexual intimacy is not the purpose of having slave-women. If the slave-woman desires chastity no one should force her for coitus interruptus. Even Quran urges Muslims to marry slave woman or let them free. At least read Quran AND other Islamic sources on this issue if you want to know fully.This is a vast issue. There is a hadees which goes like this :
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: “Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: “But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)” (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)”
Finally we are supporting Zakir Naik because he is falsely implicated
When you have scanty knowledge of Religion never utter a word against it. We challenged Universal Scientist to pin point a collision between Holy Quran & Science.
Read my letter & understand.Plain Truth.
maybe all that would have happened but we have reformed we now do not marry more than one women, we do not marry our sisters and mothers.
So you think marrying more than once is wrong similarly mohammad PBUH married I think plenty of times and he married a six year old and had sexual relationship with her at age of nine
So what I want to say there are wrongs everywhere in all relegions but try to come over it and correct it, so brother do not marry more than once(but muslims marry so may times over) and also do mat incest as mostly marriges in muslims are within the family
What? How come this is incest? Do you really know the meaning of incest? And by the way. Stop lying. Maintain some decency in your argument. We don’t marry our own mothers and sisters. Neither do we marry our paternal & maternal aunts. Rarely Muslims only marry their own cousin brothers and sisters which is not incest as they are not in blood relations. I don’t know where from you learn all this garbage that most Muslims marries their cousins.
Prophet Muhammad’s marriage teaches us many things. To take care of the widows and divorcees whose husbands had died or left them with kids and with no hopes left for them to maintain.
I ask you why Krishna married 16008 girls and screw many gopis and had illicit sexual relations with many women? To you Krishna’s marriage is nice and fair, but Prophet Muhammad marriages were wrong who helped widows and divorcees. I really don’t get how come krishna married thousands of women being God and had illicit sexual relations.Such a lowly act from your God Mr.Gautam.
Ours is the only religion of truth having provision for all exigencies. So marrying upto four is a provision. Hence much against Muslim haters minds like to believe, the Muslims are more monogamous than Hindus as per Government records. While Islam haters criticise poligamy which entails responsibility to own and rear up family, they are whole heartedly for use and throw free sex vulgarity and take pride in frankly advocating it.
Now Justice Katju will embrace Islam, any way he is more than enough educated person to understand the things much better than any one else.
Mr. Katju is a respectable sincere truly secular gentleman as I perceive him to be. As he, with whatever knowledge he has, is convinced about his atheistic views about god. This was so in case of many learned men of high stature like him. The case of Dr. MORRIS Bacaul comes to my mind. And we all know he accepted Islam and wrote a master piece ” The Quran, Science and the Bible “. He left Christianity which he used to believe in. Here is Mr Katju who does not believe in the religion he is born in. So it will be easier to get him round to accept true religion of Islam. Of course, he should first study Islam just as Mar maduke Piktal did and then needed no debate. Muslims have great opportunity to save Mr.Katju from eternal fires after death.
Dear Retired Justice Mr. Katju,
The debate is always in equal standing people. The beggar cannot debate with rich man because there is too much differences or stupid man cannot debate with intelligent. Sorry I don’t mean that you are beggar or stupid, this was just example. The comparison between you and Zakir does not match. You may be very expert in Jurisdiction-Law and wants to debate with a person who is expert in comparative religion, who is already had several debate successfully with experts in Science and Religion. Hundreds of thousand people come to watch him on his one call and millions are followers. Well, I am sure Zakir will reply you soon, need little wait I guess for present situation. All the best. If debate took place then result will be that you will be a follower of True Religion.
Sir katju,
Please visit IRF office in Mumbai if you really need replies,
Challenging a debate with Dr zakir in Delhi clearly shows that you need people’s attention towards you.
Mr. Katju wanted more publicity and attention.
He plan may be to come in politics
@Bashir:- I would like to advice just try to understand basic school level science. That will be more than sufficient.
I know Mr. Katju as a very arrogent person.But leave it aside as its his choice,coming to dr.zakir i dont think he will debate with him coz his students are enough for katju.
Moreover our non muslim brothers can go through lectures of dr. Zakir which is quran and modern science.
Mr cut shoe go and ask ur mother who give u tasty and healthy milk from her breast when u r nothing know about ur self or that organ.First u know ur self who give u d name by means of that organ male or female. From dis GOD creation is come out science also show it drop of it. Who give u d knowledge to know that i write ur name CUT SHOE instead of mr KATJU.(Not for insulting u).Its a method in 4 spritual higher stage in Hindu darm and islam. SAMJO SACCHAAYE KO UPNE MAEN aur SHAREER ANDAR.
Retire justice,you don’t need to challenge Naik and even invite him to a venue of your choice,go through his previous lecture you will find answer to your question.But if he decide to come for a debate with you I know for sure you will regret it or at the end God will open and show you right path.
Dear katju, “glory be to Almighty” who given u brain with wisdom then comes yr science+moon our naibour, planets sun stars galaxies clusters universe below 1st-heven’2’3’4’5’6’7 limit for Angels, then starts the enfinite point beyond this is our lord who has perfect control on his creation & creatures. Imagen the time when u were a droplet
For all those allah and other religion god believers, You guys lack intellect to be rational thinker. Let me ask you a dump question in your own way.
1. Since everything has a creator, who created god, if you think nobody created god and it got created or exists by itself. Then on same theory, why can’t universe be created or exists by itself.
2. Why god is so dump, he wastes energy by sending messenger one after the other to pass his messages. Its been thousands of years, no single human have seen his creator, due to which there are so many questions, religions, etc. It is very simple, he can very easily appear in sky so that everyone can see, just say “Hey guys, here I am, here after just fallow allah or jesus, whatever”, that will end all confusions.
Dear kaaju,
Aap bus kaaju khaavo..sher kya gayal hogaya, jungle ke bander kush hogaye thinking that they will rule the jungle