In an article published on MuslimMirror.com Dr Javed Jamil has equated late King Faisal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. MuslimMirror.com has received a rejoinder written by Dr. Shaik Ubaid which is being published below.
Equating King Faisal to Assad by Dr. Javed Jamil shows that Dr.Javed Jamil is not only morally bankrupt, he is intellectually dishonest too.
Dr. Jamil lives in a democracy, complains about RSS and is worried about Indian losing its democracy but refuses to accord the same human dignity to Arabs who wanted to be free of their corrupt dictators
He perhaps subscribes to the views of Trump and other White racists who believe that the Arabs are not civilized or developed enough to practice democracy.
He perhaps does not remember how the Eastern Europeans overthrew their dictators and their peaceful revolutions were not crushed unlike in Syria nor were the Eastern European revolutions undermined as done by Sisi in Egypt
He has ignored the stand of Turkey which has been the biggest supporter of oppressed Muslims whether in Gaza or in Burma and its President, Erdogan is a leading voice for the removal of Assad
Dr. Javed Jamil forgot that for months Syrians protested peacefully and after every Juma prayer the peaceful protesters were massacred. For months the secret services were engaged in rapes and cold blooded murders. It was only then that they took up arms.
ISIS and Nusrah fronts came into Syria much later
More than 50,000 Shia militias from Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan are fighting for Assad. They are as bad as ISIS and Nusrah.
It was Iran who brought in the sectarian card into Syria and not the peaceful protesters. . Why did Iran support the overthrow of Mubarak and Qaddafi and not Assad? The only reason was because Assad is an Alawite and Khamanei is known to have said that the Shia Dajjal (Who they call Sufyani) is about to emerge in Syria and to kill him the last Shia Imam who has been in hiding for 1200 years would reappear. The Iranian war in Syria is a religious war, it is an apocalyptic war.
Hafizul Assad was brought to power in Syria in 1970 by the blessing of US and Israel after he handed over the impregnable Golan Heights in the 1967 war to Israel as the defence minister. Assad kept the Syria-Israel border quiet and unlike Jordan (before Black September) and Lebanon, he never allowed the PLO to attack Israel from Syria.
He must read a book “Game of Nations” that describes how the US engineered successive coups in Syria till Hafizul Assad took over with the US blessings.
Assad massacred the PLO in Lebanon and gassed more than 20,000 Sunni supporters of Ikhwanul Muslemeen in 1982 in the city of Hama.
Dr. Javed Jamil has joined those who have no conscience and who have sold their souls to the devil and the images of little children blown to bits and of women raped does not bother him.
It is not just the Western media but the Human Rights agencies which help the Palestinians in Gaza and Rohingya Muslims in Burma, such as Doctors Without Borders, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch etc. who have documented the genocide.
Blaming Dr. Jamil is unfare. Faisal or Khalid or Fahad or Abdullah and Salman or SiSi don’t represent ‘Arabs’. They are all unjust. They are all cousins of Yahudis. Basically, they are part of monarchy. They are and have ruthless kings.
1. They are all part of abolishing ‘Khilafat e Turkiya’.
2. They all collaborated with the Western Rulers. Turkish Khilafat was a big hurdle and all those Aley Saud conspired against Khilafat. Read the diary of Mohammed Ali Johar for reference.
3. They caused an attack on Iran by the Iraqis.
4. They destroyed Iraq, one of the most developed Arab nation. Desert storm to today’s war and destruction.
4. They destroyed Libya.
5. They supported and conspired with ruthless Egyptian Asisi to throw out the Elected government of Morsi.
6. They created Al Qaeda and conspired with Israel to happen 9/11.
7. They created rebels to throw out Assad.
8. They created ISIS.
9. They enticed and instigated Sunnis ‘ Wahhabis’ to go against Shias.
10. They caused the division in Islam. Wahhabis vs. non Wahhabis , Shias vs. Sunnis.
11. Finally, they are enemies of Islam. Faisal or Khalid or Fahad or Abdullah and Salman or SiSi. They are all unjust. They are all cousins of Yahudis. Basically, they are part of monarchy. They are and have ruthless kings.
You seem to spending too much time reading conspiracy theories on the Internet.
Desert storm happened in 1992 and it was in retaliation to Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait…I hope you have read this on one of your reliable sources.
But the final blow to Iraq was inflicted in 2001 on WMD pretext which completely destroyed Iraq. And for your kind information, it was Iran who helped US invade Iraq and Afghanistan too.
Check this video om Youtube in which erstwhile president Khatami and other Irani ministers confession to their treachery and gruesome crime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ectgfwhEig
I sense Shia v. Sunni fight between u 2. No unity, no hope for Muslims. The Middle East (Iran & Arabs) with Allah given wealth for the welfare (health, education, safety) of Muslims all over is squandering & Allah & Prophet are angry. We will be orphans till doomsday. Our real enemies are making merry. Other faiths with many internal factions maintain a fake unity & do not destroy each other, but, not Muslims. Hope Allah creates a new breed of educated, just, true Muslims. I feel Muslims in the West are the best.
The writer seems to be totally morally and intelllectually bankrupt himself. Dr. Jamil is perhaps the most honest, fearless and dauntless writer of the current world. He calls spade a spade and is not oveawed by the might of the United States or Hindutva. His relentless fight against the social evils and false ideologies is unparallelled. Syrian deaths are more the result of American designs than Assad. Assad may not be an angel but he would surely be better than an American installed ruler.
Dear Mr. Ubaid
Your rejoinder proves your own moral bankrupty as well as intellectual hollowness. You are a well-known West supporter and have been continuously on warpath with me on account of my sustained unveiling of the American designs in the world, especially in the Muslim World. There are many like youy who have become more American than Muslim once the moved to that country. To be devoted to one’s country is excellent but to support its tyrannical wars is not.
First of all, your moral deficiency is proven by the very title you have chosen. Did I equate Faisal with Assad? Nor I suggested that I love all these rulers forcibly removed by West. My point is that West has long history of eliminating Muslim rulers one way or the other and anyone, irrespective of whether he is good or bad for his people, who refuses to toe their line and submit to their designs becomes a tyrant for them. And to prove their “tyranny”, huge propaganda material with manufactured reports and videos are presented in the international media. When they were about to attack Saddam Hussein, everyone knows what kind of propaganda was unleashed against him depicting him as a cruel dictator who has amassed weapons of mass destruction. The WMD were never found and 3 million Iraqis lost their lives.
Unfortunately, people are so much overwhelmed by international media propaganda, especially if the target happens to be one who does not belong to our sect that they fail to see the truth behind the apparent scene. If it would have been the other way round and the America-led front might have emerged victorious, none would have been counting the dead. And if anyone was counting, it would not have received any coverage. The whole focus would have been on the celebrations, on the “fact” that a “tyrant” has been removed, on the implications of the “historical” moment. This is what happened when Iraq was attacked and Saddam Hussein was hunted and then brutally hanged. This is what happened when Afghanistan was attacked and an American puppet was installed there. This is again what happened when Ghaddafi was overthrown and killed. Even the removal of a popular democratically elected Mursi was celebrated in America. Nobody counted 3.5 million lives lost in those wars. Nobody presented the break-up: how many were Sunnis and Shias? America’s policy throughout the last few decades has been to change the regimes in Muslim countries at will. They have no concern for democracy. If they had, they would not have removed Mursi through a military dictater. Their only concern is their own line of thinking. If any ruler toes the America-Israel line, he becomes a tyrant, and must be removed.
I belong to a Sunni Deobandi family and have always been close to the Deobandi Ulema. I have no formal affiliations whatsoever with any organisation of any sect. But I keep off setarian glasses away from me, and I say only what I feel is right. I may be wrong in my assessment but I never try to support or oppose on the basis of personal interests. I have written perhaps more than any Muslim writer in India on various issues, and I have relentlessly fought against the hegemonies of all kinds whether it is the hegemony of Hindutva or corporates in India or the hegemony of West or Corporates in the world. I cant accept an American led war or civil war against a ruler just because he happens to be a part of the “Axis” that is “dangerous” for American and Israel interests or because he belongs to a sect I love to hate.
The rebellion in Syria was fully exported. More than 2 dozen countries openly supported it with men, weapons and money. Still, for 4 years they could not remove Assad. Why? If one studies independent reports, one will find that the number of deaths on the Government side was very high, which could not have been possible without heavy weaponry in the hands of “rebels”. But Assad alone was held responsible for the bloodshed. If such a rebellion had been instigated against Saudi or Qatar governments would these Governments not fight the rebels? Would they not receive the support of Muslim Ummah? Would they not be justified in fighting foreign rebels? Would they be held responsible for the deaths that occurred? The number of deaths in Syria are far less than Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, and for them West and their “rebels” were more responsible than Assad.
I am no supporter of Assad. I have nothing to do with him or his sect. But I can’t endorse change of regimes in Muslim countries through military interventions by Big powers. And I find it extremely depressing when people start hating somebody just on account of his sect. I am happy about the fall of Aleppo not because Assad has won but because America has lost. After what happened to Russia in Afghanistan and what happened to America in Syria, I do hope Muslim countries will get safer.
I have Alhamdulillah always written what I find right in my mind without bothering about the reactions. In recnt months, it was I who wrote when Inquiry commission in England said that there was no evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I demanded that compensation must be sought from America. No Muslim country unfortunately had the courage to take that stand and there was silence everywhere. Then when the Bill was passed in America against Saudi Arabia regarding the victims of 9/11, it was again I who took the lead in condemning the move. Despite my strong disapproval of the foreign policies of some Arab governments, my heart longs for their success and prosperity, and I feel pain when an America or France bombards them. And above all, I am for the unity of Ummah. If there is any tyrant among us, he must be removed through our own mediation rather than foreign sponsored wars or civil wars resulting in deaths of hundreds of thousands.
Dear sir,its really unfortunate to witness people of high caliber using uncouth words for each other.
Assad is a tyrant and syrians have been repressed for close to five decades living under constant fear. ALAWITES had built such a miltary hierarchy that even centuries down they would have been at helm and they constitute mere 12% of syrians.without repression they could never ever had ruled for so long. Buoyed by Arab spring Syrians had started protesting,when china and Russia blocked UNSC initiative to censure the beast Assad, did other nations left with no option started arming rebels.Why did erdogan who called assad a younger brother with huge business stakes turned against him.This is not the first time you wrote in favor of that savage.
Dear Mr Javed Jamil,
Instead of calling Mr Ubaid morally bankrupt and intellectually hollow, it is you who deserve those accolades.
You call this treacherous trio an axis of resistance???
Just because they are ‘allowed’ to bark and shout hollow anti US slogans?
Why do you think the Neocons have never even tried to harm Iran despite these hollow rhetoric from time to time and the mainstream and anti establishment news sources keep publishing fake news of imminent attack on the Iran by US and Israel?
I have a collected a database of news items that appeared in the last 15 years in several online and off line publication announcing the imminent attack on the Iran and its Majoosi brigade but it never happen. Where as the same Zionist forces spend no time in attacking Sunni countries, be it Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Algeria (1992), Bosnia, Pakistan (covert war), Sudan…
What is it that makes the Zionist forces refrain from stopping Iran. Why is Iran allowed to openly meddle in Iraq to the extent that Iraq has been converted into an Iranian colony with its mercenaries fighting and killing Sunnis. Why is Iranians army permitted to fully engage on ground in Syria against the FSA?
Or maybe because of your intellectual prosperity you must be under the impression that the ZIonists forces comprising of US / NATO / ISrael are scared of Iran and Assad.
Please see my response as a new post
Wassalam
Basically muslims do not deserve democracy. It is very pity when we see muslims all over the world are killing muslims only. Shia terrorists plot bombs in Sunni community place & vice versa. Non muslims have started feeling that if this religion wouldn’t have been there, the world would have been peaceful.
When we see picture of children killings, it simply hurts our mind. What was the sin of these children that they was born as muslims & in middle east? May lord Krishna bring us on the path of humanity & stop this violence.
Further, Alavites hold similar position among Shias as Qadianis among Sunnis. And Assad belongs to Bathis who were in fact atheists.
In last elections, Assad got more than two third of votes. If at all he is to be removed, it should be another election monitored by independent agencies.
Sir,again first hand account, the govt representatives would choose a specific persons in lanes,housing apartments and give them the responsibility to make sure everybody vote in favor of regime warning of serious cosequencies if failed to do so.
Assad got 2/3 of votes, don’t make me laugh at you intellect. Assad is a dictator. Even if he gets 100% votes, does it matter.
Nobody needs to convince you about the validity of the ‘Last Election’ in Syria which Assad ‘won’.
Javid Jamil sb lost his sense when said the butcher Assad got two third vote in last general elections. late dictator Saddam Husain and Mubarak also used to conduct such sham elections and won with more than 100 per cent votes.the same drama had been staged by the 21th century’s blood-thirsty 21th century’s butcher. who had been history if Iran has not shown her Shia bias and Russian intervention. the so-called elections have no meaning as then the only one-third parts of the Syria was under this man-eater;s control and no one was allowed to contest except his cronies to hoodwink the world community.
It is very unfortunate of the people those who consider the Saudis as an angle. In fact they are real Satan. They have another fur in their Qatra, Rendition and killing of Shias in the eastern province. In Al Qatif, Alhassa and Abqaiq poor religious people have been victim of Saudis atrocities. Saudi agents, Wahhabis imams are scattered everywhere.
The most current, Umrah business designed as multilevel marketing model in Israel and promoted by Wahhabis Imams. Jannat for sale. 5k to 15k in the US. Enjoy during spring break, thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years . You can buy anything as Vegas.
My 2 cents to your comments. I don’t consider Saudis to be angels. But your hatred of them are brazenly displayed here. Your sympathy for poor and your Rafidi brethren in the Eastern province who are hell bent in creating rebellion with support of your Ruhullahs is understood. ‘Umrah business designed as multilevel marketing model in Israel?? Please don’t encourage us to question your sanity. And pray, why are you concerned who does what during their spring break? BTW-Are you aware most of the gold traders in Eastern province of Saudi Arabia are Shias?
Are you aware there is no Sunni Masjid in Tehran? And Sunni Muslims are barred from building Masjids in Tehran.
For decades, Tehran’s Sunni minority has sought to build a mosque but authorities have always prevented the construction.
Bashar, his father and uncle before have been waging wars against the Syrian people for over 45 years. Killing tens of thousands in Hamah back in 82, jailing hundreds of thousands, exiling similar numbers, looting the country and now killing over 100,000 destroying the entire country with the use of air force, Scud missiles, rockets, with over 2 millions refugees, over 4 millions displaced inside Syria. The question did the use of chemical weapon in Damascus Goutta finally tipped the scale of western morality, when Bashar been on a killing spree for over two years? I guess it is Ok for Bashar to use Scud missiles and jets but not chemical weapons? Makes no sense to me.
Bashar and his army been a sitting duck as Israel over decades bombed Syria at will, committed assassinations within Syria at will, all the while the Assad regime, father and Son never fired a single shot, never dared to retaliate.
How can the so called Dr Javed Jamil be permitted to write here? He says that “The rebellion in Syria was fully exported”.
Dr Jamil please get your fact right.
I have always believed that some of the groups and online publications affiliated to Jamaat are hijacked by the Iran supporting Shias.
It is true. All those people were armed and exported from Saudi Arabia and its allies.
Your Taqiyah is showing!
Beware of Manipulation of Social Media for Anti Sunnah / Anti Saudi Propaganda
They create a Pro Palestine / anti Israel / anti US forum / Group / Page on the Facebook.
Because Palestine is closest to every Muslim’s heart and and emotional issue because of its religio-political significance, and every politically inclined Muslim abhors anything related to US or Israel.
Next, they regularly post anti Israel / anti US / anti Zionist comments and attract Muslims to register on such online forums and FB pages,
They merely copy paste material from the left liberal websites like Veteranstoday, Information Clearinghouse, Antiwar, alternet News and scores of other obscure online sources loaded with conspiracy theories and propaganda ammunition.
Next they slip in an anti Saudi / pro Iran comments at a regular interval, with the help of trash picked from such dubious websites, they post news item about Saudi Zionist alliance. News items which are generally created on the basis of their ‘reliable sources’.
The ultimate goal is to portray Iran / Assad as resisting forces against the zionists.
The fact is, this same evil forces of Iran / Assad / Hizbollah has killed almost half a million people in Syria with direct and indirect support from the Zionists (US, Europe, Russia).
Dr. Jamil,
Those who cannot condemn a genocide and massacres of children and rapes of women fail abjectly in the test of their humanity. Dr. Jamil, you have failed this test and fell much lower by supporting the perpetrators of genocide
Instead of repenting from supporting a genocide you are trying to demonize me as a supporter of US foreign policy. I normally do not defend myself but here the perception of who is sincerely aching for the oppressed people is very important because we are not engaged in an academic debate but are talking about genocide I have dedicated my life to fighting mass scale oppression and that is why I co-founded the Burma Task Force a few years ago and founded the Indian Muslim Council-USA (Now called as Indian American Muslim Council) in 2002. I helped launch the Coalition Against Genocide which got Mr. Modi’s US visa revoked. My stand is not based on any personal animosity of Dr. Jamil as he claims. I have been consistent since my work with Bosnia Task Force in the 1990s.
It is immoral to support Putin’s genocide in Chechnya and Syria or China’s pogroms in Xinjiang (Eastern Turkistn) . Being anti West does not mean that we should support genocide by Russia, Burma or China
Let us see what the Quran says about being Just and Fair An Nisa: 135
Sahih International: O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah , even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort [your testimony] or refuse [to give it], then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.
Pickthall: O ye who believe! Be ye staunch in justice, witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves or (your) parents or (your) kindred, whether (the case be of) a rich man or a poor man, for Allah is nearer unto both (them ye are). So follow not passion lest ye lapse (from truth) and if ye lapse or fall away, then lo! Allah is ever Informed of what ye do.
I am flabbergasted at the naivete of Dr. Jamil that he thinks that US lost in Aleppo. US is backing mostly the Kurds who have been winning till Turkey, alarmed at the threat to its SE Kurdish region intervened. US administration wants Assad to stay in power. Senators McCain and Graham are not US administration.
Syrians lost out in Aleppo, Turkey lost in Aleppo, Muslims lost in Aleppo, decency lost in Aleppo, humanity lost in Aleppo; US did not lose in Aleppo. US, Israel, Iran, Russia and Assad won in Aleppo
To say that the Syrian revolution was not an indigenous rebellion just like the one seen in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc is a bold faced white lie
As for standing up against the US led oppression, I consider it part of my belief system to do so . This is the reason that I was a member of the 8th member national steering committee of United National Artisan Coalition, the premier antiwar group in the US. Dr. Jamil will have no guts to stand up against the Indian government’s policies in Kashmir which blinded so many because of the excuse that he lives in India. I live in the US and have been a leading anti-war voice and stood up against every US President since Reagan when they oppressed Palestinians, Libyans, Iraqis, Afghanis, Somalis and nonmuslims such as those of Latin America.
Dr. Jamil’s contention that a criticism based on moral principles according to the teachings of Al- Quran is a personal one shows his narcissistic personality and megalomania. The same attitude as exhibited by Mr. Trump.
If Dr. Jamil cannot do indepth analysis of who had brought Hafezul Assad to power ( I had even suggested a book, Game of Nations) and who helped him remain in power or of what is happening in Syria, then let him go by his own superficial analysis and compare Assad and Putin to Erdogan. Is not Erdogan more like Faisal than Assad is? Were not the US and Western European governments hoping that the coup against him succeed? Then let Dr. Jamil support Erdogan who wants Assad out and not support Putin
There are more than 50 Syrian families who I have known for decades in the US. Syrians are not a distant exotic people for me. I have first hand information on Syria
TWO MOST IMPORTANT PRINCIPLES:
1) As for whether a people who are oppressed chose to rise up or not, it is their right and prerogative. Our moral duty is to support whatever decision they make. Rohingyas have chosen not to rise up we must support that decision, Syrians have chosen to rise up and we must support that decision as well. US or Russia have no right to intervene in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria or anywhere else.
2) An oppressed people have the right to get help even from the devil if their children are getting butchered and women being held in rape camps. When the Bosnians and Kosovans requested America’s intervention and that intervention brought them independence, I supported that.
Dr. Jamil or I are not important. What is important are the victims of the genocide, that they be given justice and be rehabilitated; and future victims be saved. This can be done through pressure. India is an important country. Public opinion in India counts in bringing pressure on Iran and Putin. By taking the sides of Putin, Dr. Jamil is tainting his hands with the blood of the innocent. I can never have any respect for such a man
The moment he stops supporting genocide and apologizes to the victim, he will be my brother and it will be obligatory on me to respect and love him
Ubaid
WHY AGGRESSIVELY DEBATING WITH SUPPORTERS OF ASSAD/PUTIN IS NEEDED
I had to strongly rebut Dr. Jamil because Russia and Iran have heavily invested in a media war. It is this media war that has helped Russia and Assad gain the support of those Leftists in the US and the West who are normally pro-Palestinian,. They do that in the name of “anti-imperialism”. Sam Charles Hammad and Idrees Ahmed in the UK and Andy Pollack in the US are the exceptions among these Leftists. (You can see their writings on my facebook page).
Russia-Assad – Iran axis has similarly been successful in creating confusion among the Muslims who are supporting Assad in the name of standing upto Israel and the US.
Such people cannot be taken as serious scholars and intellectuals. Javid Jamil Sb. has shown himself as one such person.
But Jamil sb is among the few Muslims who write regularly. If he becomes a tool of Russian/Assad propaganda then he becomes a major enemy of Muslims and Syrian revolution. He will be among those preparing the ground for more genocides and pogroms.
There are people like him in the US who hurt Muslims because of their ego but who do not hate Islam; and then ere are Islam- haters such Tarek Fatah and Ayan Hirsi Ali as well as Muslim haters such as Zuhdi Jasser and Asra Nomani.
While many Muslims take on the Muslim/Islam haters, they leave the confused lot among the Muslim alone. I have not. In my view these confused and confusion-peddling Muslims are also very dangerous because they not only confuse Muslims but confuse the nonmuslim activists who help us.
If Javed Jamil continues to write in support of Assad, I will continue to go after him with the same zeal that I have shown. In media wars you also expose the motives, the intended and unintended consequences and the shallowness of argument of the oppressing party. If he writes about controversial issues on fiqh or public policy, I will not be debating him as I usually do not waste my limited time or energy, and taking a stand on issues of difference of opinion must actually be encouraged
I have persisted because this approach is based on psychology, historical precedents and an understanding of how public opinion wars are fought. Even in real wars, Salahuddin had to first get the Muslims’ house in order before taking on the Crusaders.
I hope Dr. Javid Jamil realizes his mistake and start supporting the struggle for freedom by all in his future writings.
first MM used to like him and publish his articles and suddenly this hatred … i think money is main issue
Dear Mr Ubaid
I had closed the chapter because I am not an activist on the fund raising spree for the Syrian cause. I keep giving my opinions on variety of issues without in any way attempting to use them for my personal gains or for any fund raising purpose. You are getting psychotic on the issue because you are in India on a fund raising spree in the name of the sufferings of the people of Syria “caused by the victory of Assad” against the West and its puppets in the Muslim world. I have clarified even before that I feel satisfied only because in my opinion this would signal an end to the international intervention in Muslim countries. I am neither a leftist nor a supporter of Russia. I have therefore no sympathy with Russia or any big power because all of them are the real butchers of humanity. However, sometimes they balance each other and Russian support in Syria has helped the neutralisation of Western designs. Nothing more. As I said I am not a pro-Assad activist who will keep on writing in his favour unnecessarily. Whenever there will be new development worth attention, I will not hesitate to express my opinion without fear depending upon the circumstances. I am not a Shia either who will keep supporting Iran only because Iran is a Shia country. I am Alhamdulillah not plagued with any kind of sectarian hatreds and support or oppose only on the ground of the facts as I see them. I never claim that I am always right. You are feeling concerned about my writings only because you fear it might adversely affect your fund-raising drive. Rest assured I am not going to be an obstacle in your drive. It is a matter between you and your potential donors. With the kind of the propaganda in the international media, I expect you to make quite a big amount.
As I have said earlier, my position on the conspiracy theory that America and Israel in fact collaborated with Iran and Syria will change as soon as
1. Saudi Arab, Qatar and UAE show clear and open resentment with the US establishment and condemn their double game on the issue;
2. America severs diplomatic relations with the above named countries and restores diplomatic ties with Iran and Syria;
3. Israel opens a process of mutual understanding with Hezbollah;
4. An international survey or freely conducted elections in Syria declares Assad as the loser;
5. You in person demand the above named countries to condemn America stabbing them in their backs;
6. You demand an apology from America for causing the bloodshed in Syria in collaboration with Iran and Assad.
I am extremely pained by the deaths and sufferings in Syria and condemn all those responsible for it in the strongest possible terms. The only difference between you and me is on who are responsible and who is more responsible. I know your opinion and you know mine. So no further discussion on this.
I hope the Muslim world has learnt a lesson. The foreign interventions cannot be allowed to change regimes in Muslim countries through murders, wars or civil wars. America has caused deaths of more than 3 million people in collaboration with its puppets in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. I am not including Syria because opinion may be different on this but not in the other ones. So let West be made to pay for the deaths of these innocents and let your fund raising team condemn America at least for these killings. If any change has to be brought in any Muslim country, it has to be through peaceful means. Whoever wins, the people lose lives. If Assad had been overthrown, even then it would have been at the cost of immense numbers of lives and property.
Dr. Javed Jamil
Shows how low you can fall Dr. Jamil
I am not in India
I do not do fund raising
I do not lead the fight for Syria in the US because the fight must be and is lead by Syrian Muslims. There are thousands of Syrian Muslims in the US
I am active in the fight against Modi and Hindutva because Indians must lead the fight
When it came to Bosnians then and Rohingyas now, I was among the leaders because there are so few Bosnians and Rohingyas in the US
I work in advocacy and relief. That means I believe in fighting proactively. I believe in preventing genocide and not waiting for it to happen and then creatively do relief work
Proactive advocacy means fighting the media war being waged to prepare grounds for genocide
That is why I confront you because you have joined the media war on Syria as a foot soldier of Assad-Putin and Khamenei
Hatred and ego has made a liar out of you and blinded you. I not only condemn the US interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc but also in Latin America. I condemn its support of Israel. Infact I am one of the leaders of the antiwar movement in the US. I had written this already but in your hatred you keep ignoring this fact
I will not fall to your level and make false accusations against you
WHY AGGRESSIVELY DEALING WITH THE WRITINGS OF THOSE WHO APOLOGIZE FOR ASSAD IS NEEDED
I had to strongly rebut Dr. Jamil because Russia and Iran have heavily invested in a media war. It is this media war that has helped Russia and Assad gain the support of those Leftists in the US and the West who are normally pro-Palestinian,. They do that in the name of “anti-imperialism”. Sam Charles Hammad and Idrees Ahmed in the UK and Andy Pollack in the US are the exceptions among these Leftists. (You can see their writings on my facebook page).
Russia-Assad – Iran axis has similarly been successful in creating confusion among the Muslims who are supporting Assad in the name of standing upto Israel and the US.
Such people cannot be taken as serious scholars and intellectuals. Javid Jamil Sb. has shown himself as one such person.
But Jamil sb is among the few Muslims who write regularly. He has become a tool of Russian/Assad propaganda and thus a major enemy of Muslims and Syrian revolution. He will be among those preparing the ground for more genocides and pogroms.
There are people like him in the US who hurt Muslims because of their ego but who do not hate Islam; and then ere are Islam- haters such Tarek Fatah and Ayan Hirsi Ali as well as Muslim haters such as Zuhdi Jasser and Asra Nomani.
While many Muslims take on the Muslim/Islam haters, they leave the confused lot among the Muslim alone. I have not. In my view these confused and confusion-peddling Muslims are also very dangerous because they not only confuse Muslims but confuse the nonmuslim activists who help us.
If Javed Jamil continues to write in support of Assad, I will continue to go after him with the same zeal that I have shown. In media wars you also expose the motives, the intended and unintended consequences and the shallowness of argument of the oppressing party. If he writes about controversial issues on fiqh or public policy, I will not be debating him as I usually do not waste my limited time or energy, and taking a stand on issues of difference of opinion must actually be encouraged
I have persisted because this approach is based on psychology, historical precedents and an understanding of how public opinion wars are fought.
I hope Dr. Javid Jamil realizes his mistake and start supporting the struggle for freedom by all in his future writings.
I am sorry to everybody, especially Shaik Ubaid Sahab that I misread one of his statements in an earlier article. It read like this:
“We are working with the leftists and Muslim media persons in India to launch an education campaign to build public opinion against genocides in Syria and Burma. Dr. Jamil’s narcissistic and delusional rants in support of the genocide become a threat to this campaign and had to be countered. You have already seen some videos from the leftist intellectuals against the genocide.”
I am sorry that when Ubaid wrote another one in Muslim Mirror (after I had decided not to write on the issue anymore), I decided to rebut him and at that time I remembered that sentence wrongly. When I read it just now I found that it was about the “educational” campaign and there is no mention in it if it would involve any funds and fund raising or not. I apologize for this mistake which was totally unintended. As far as the other parts are concerned, I would maintain my position till the answers to my questions do not come up. I hope I am proved wrong in the end . I feel bad whenever there is loss of lives whoever the victims whoever the perpetrators. In the case of Syria, deaths occurred in big numbers which have to be condemned. The only point for the future to prove is: who was responsible to what degree? You may have condemned personally but till the governments of the countries that feel America ditched them do not condemn, America’s support to Syria and Iran and not the rebels is not proved.
Dr. Javed Jamil
If Iran has become so smart that it can simultaneously have full-fledged clandestine American support and open Russian support, Mr Ubaid, it signals bad times for the Iran haters in the region. Only a moron can beklieve such conspiracy theoiries.
and Mr Ubaid, you condemned the US for Afghanistan and Iraq and not for its role in Syriqa and hobnobbing with Iran and Bashar al Assad, which was my demand to prove your theory. And it should be done openly through a publis press release or through a letter to the President. The same should be done in the UN. If the US can play such a sinister double game, all Arab countries must break their ties with it.
You made it personal Mr Ubaid, not I. You were free to express your opinion on the issue in independent articles but you chose to do it in my response and instead of sticking to the points, yopu used worst possible language against me. I was only forced to respond.
This might be of some interest to those who have academic curiosity about the politics in the Middle east.
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A hoax that Israel and US are planning to attack Iran is being propagated in the news media for the last 15-20 years, sometimes dragging Saudis along with US and Israel as an aggressor…this is a propaganda to favor Iran and to make Iran a hero and create an image of martyr in the eyes of Muslim masses and at the same time portray Saudi Arabia as a partner in crime.
This is an annual quota of disinformation campaign by the Zionist media and press TV of Iran to create support for treacherous Iran which is playing a dirty game in the Middle East.
This is also an attempt to divert Muslims away from the real Islam and create sympathy for Iran, the center of deviant belief system. This also helps create acceptability of the deviant Rafidi cult among the mainstream Muslims.
See below how such fake news keeps appearing in the news media regularly.
Examples of pro-Iranian propaganda in the media all over the world:
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*Saudis might help Israel attack Iran in exchange for progress in peace process
02/24/2015
*Will Israel attack Iran’s nuclear installation? – Al Arabiya News
Aug 29, 2014 – 1300GMT:
*The French-Israeli-Saudi Front Against Iran? | FrontPage …
Nov 18, 2013 –
*Team 9/11: Israeli Mossad and Saudi Arabia planning attack …
Nov 17, 2013 –
*Saudi Arabia Military Threat to Israel | Jewish Virtual Library
*October surprise: US and Israel prepare to strike Iran – RT.com
October 09, 2012 21:05.
*Netanyahu trying to persuade cabinet to support attack on Iran
Nov 2, 2011
*CIA veteran: Israel to attack Iran in fall – Al Jazeera English
Jul 17, 2011
*Report Alleges Saudi Arabia Approves Israeli Attack on …
Jun 14, 2010
*Saudis will let Israel bomb Iran nuclear site – Daily Express
Sep 27, 2009
*Israel ‘will attack Iran’ before new US president sworn in, John
7:25PM BST 23 Jun 2008.
*Saudis might help Israel attack Iran – Quarter Moon Saloon
Date: Oct 2008;
*US Invasion of Iran and the Israel War (Invasion Iran)
In 2007
*War Against Iran, April 2006 – by Jorge Hirsch – Antiwar.com
Apr 1, 2006
*Planned US-Israeli Attack on Iran – Global Research
May 2005
*Sharon on the warpath – Is Israel planning to attack Iran …
August 21, 2004
*Israel And US Prepare To Attack Iran
Washington – 6 October 2003
*November 2011: Chicago Tribune, Will Israel bomb Iran?
*November 2010: The Atlantic, Will Israel Attack Iran by Christmas?
*August 2010: The Week, Will Israel attack Iran in the next three days?
*April 2010: Middle East Post, Will Israel attack Iran?
*August 2009: Talking Points Memo, Will Israel Attack Iran This Year?, Los Angeles Times,
*Expect Israel to hit Iran without warning
*April 2009: Salon.com, Will Israel attack Iran?
*July 2008: The Atlantic, Will Israel Attack Iran?, ABC News, Will Israel Attack Iran?
*May 2008: The Daily Star (Lebanon), As things look, Israel may well attack Iran soon
*February 2008: Haaretz, Pentagon: Israel increasingly likely to attack Iran
*December 2007: The Daily Beast, What Will Israel Do? (The writer says that a unilateral
military strike against Iran has grown more likely.)
*March 2005: Philippine Daily Inquirer, Israel has plans to attack Iran, says London Times
*August 2004: The New York Times, Sharon on the warpath: Is Israel planning to attack Iran?
Javid Jamil, You are a narcissistic megalomaniac and are upset when people refute your article that celebrates a genocide
US has acted as an imperialist and people of conscience have been condemning it for a genocide of its Native Americans, for slavery, for wars in Latin America, Middle East, SE Asia, etc. I not only condemn it, I am active in movements fighting against its wars. Paper tigers like you release press releases and write letters. We organize on the streets, media offices, academic institutions, etc.
You cannot use the excuse of US intervention to commit a genocide that Assad is doing. Assad’s father and Assad came to power and retained power with the blessing of the US US had the opportunity to remove Assad when he crossed Obama’s red line by using chemical weapons but US did not. US is not dedicated to removing Assad and that is the biggest complaint pf Erdogan. You know more about Turkey than Erdogan does?
Instead of reading Wikipedia which you do read first hand information such as the book Game of Nations
Those who praised Modi after the Gujarat pogrom are considered despicable people. Assad has killed many times more. You are ac despicable human being that you keep supporting this genocide in Syria
You shed no tears for the victims of rapes and mass murder but rushed to celebrate Assad’s victory in Aleppo. Shame on you
sir,happy to know about the amount of work u ave done and still doing but very disappointed with choice of words for dr javid jamil sahab,now iam getting more and more convinced that the biggest ailments plaguing muslims is lack of tolerance and patience.some times people get convinced otherwise, wrong from point of our perception but is it necessary to degrade a person to press our point.you both holding a high ground should rather be leaving an example
of conducting a debate in a dignified manner to be emulated by young generation.
An aggrieved admirer of you both.
Br Abdul Hafiz,
What happened to your Islamic gheerat, sense of justice and Islamic brotherhood. You will not respect and will use harsh words to expose a Muslim who supports Modi and his Gujarat riots. Assad has killed 5 lakh people , 100 times more than Modi. Javid Jamil Sb celebrate the Aleppo carnage as a great victory
When exposed, instead of feeling ashamed he first called Dr. Ubaid an American apologist. He then,following the example of RSS hatchet men falsely accused Dr. Ubaid of exploiting Syrian tragedy to raise funds. Dr. Ubaid does not collect any money for Syria.
I do not think Dr. Ubaid was using harsh language for personal reasons as Dr. Jamil is. Dr. Ubaid was rightly criticizing Dr. Jamil for supporting a genocide. You cannot equate them morally.
I have been watching this. It was Shaik Ubaid who started it and almost always used demeaning words for Dr. Javed Jamil. If he disagreed with him, he should have argued his case rather than launching a series of personal attacks. Muslim Mirror has been reading Dr Javed Jamil for years and even chose him Man of the Year for two consecutive years. His writings have been immensely popular in India and abroad. He is one man who is never afraid of saying things against the Establishments and popular perception built by the media. Only a man of selfless devotion to the cause can do it. He has fought relentlessly against sectarianism.
True that numerous lives have been lost in Syria. The killers cannot but be condemned in the strongest possible terms. Dr Jamil is only arguing that the rebels supported by West and Arab countries through heavy military weapon are more responsible than Assad. In almost every country, the rulers are not ideal. In most of the countries they do not represent the will of more than 40-50 pc of the people. Does this mean that armed rebellion would start against them. In many cases, demonstrations turn violent and often the Government acts strongly. Will this mean taht outside forces will immediately spring into action? What if similar demonstrations start against Saudi Arab rulers. Will they tolerate it or will they just leave the power?
Nobody knows Ubaid. Dr Jamil is extremely popular. By attacking him he has only weakened his own case and proved that he is a psychopath.
Bro Abdurrab,
What sort of argument is this? Why do you keep repeating that Dr. Jamil is a popular person. Even if what you say is true, does that mean whatever Dr Jamil says is correct?
No doubt he was chosen Man of the Year for two consecutive years by Muslim Mirror.
Muslim Mirror is one of the arm of Jamaat e Islami,
being an organization which preaches resistance and revolution are completely deceived by the Rafidi hoax. Jamaat fell for their lies which Iran is propagating for the last 20 years of being the axis of resistance against UA and Israel.
But the fact of the matter is, Iran has shown a lot of enthusiasm in destroying Sunnis wherever they are in minority, and are ruled by Shias / Alewites oppressors like Assad in Syria and Malliki in Iraq.
Not just that, because of their blindness to see the truth, the Rafidis have subverted their institutions and publications and are doing exactly what Dr jamil is doing, using Muslim Mirror as a platform for his Majoosi agenda.