Hundreds of Muslim girls being forced into converting to Hinduism in UP

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Ameesha was abducted when she was 13 and forced to convert; (right) Sameena Khatun was threatened and assaulted by her Hindu neighbor.

Known as the resting place of the Buddha, Khushingar in Uttar Pradesh is reporting an alarming number of cases of Muslim girls being abducted and forced to convert to Hinduism by the BJP MP Yogi Adityanath’s Hindu Yuva Vahini. As Uttar Pradesh prepares for elections next month, Shweta Desai of DNA visits the volatile region to get the real picture of what is being called ‘reverse love jihad’

By Shweta Desai,

Khushinagar (Uttar Pradesh) : She calls herself Ameesha Thakur now, a name given by her husband Arvind. Dressed in a blue and pink sari with sindoor in her hair and a shiny bindi on her forehead, she looks the archetypal obedient bahu. But all is not what it seems in the Thakur home in Chaubiya Rampur village in eastern Uttar Pradesh’s Kushinagar district. Just across the lane is Ameesha’s nanihal (maternal grandparent’s house), where her family doesn’t even acknowledge her existence. Abducted three years ago when she was just 13 and now married to a Hindu and living as one, she is not their little Zubeida Khatun any more.

“They made a public announcement in the panchayat that they will make her a Hindu. Now she is living like one, how can we accept this?’’ questioned her uncle Abdullah. The reality is hard to accept for the family, which is one amongst the few Muslim families in the village. He alleges that their little girl was kidnapped by the powerful Thakur family and was forced to convert.

According to the FIR filed by Zubeida’s family in 2013, Rameshwar Thakur and his sons Arvind and Nagin Thakur have been charged with kidnapping and compelling a young woman into marriage. As per the family, Rameshwar Singh’s friends in the Hindu Yuva Vahini (HYV) and the right-wing Hindu group, formed by BJP MP Yogi Adityanath, engineered Zubeida’s abduction.

A few months after she disappeared, Zubeida appeared before a magistrate and voluntarily accepted to marry Arvind. Her family resisted, claiming that she was under age and had been tricked by Arvind. “We tried a lot, filed police complaints, took the matter to the court, but eventually they produced false documents proving her legal age and she got married to the Hindu,’’ said Abdullah. What stings even more is that the Thakurs showed their clout during a panchayat, beating drums in a procession to celebrate a Muslim girl’s conversion into Hinduism. “They did this to shame us in the village,’’ Abdullah added. Zubeida alias Ameesha, the girl in the proverbial centre of the storm who claims she is 21, says she got married willingly. “My family is angry because I married a Hindu,’’ she says. Her abduction, she says was a ‘misunderstanding’. “Every couple has some problems, we also had some. I do everything as a Hindu, pray to god, fast and live as my in-laws tell me to,’’ she says, cradling her three-year-old son.

Communal fault lines

The real story lies somewhere between Abdullah’s claims and Ameesha’s statements. But whatever the truth is, Kushinagar seems to have become ground zero of what is being called ‘reverse love jihad’ — a reversal of the label BJP leaders, including Adityanath. Cases of Muslim boys getting married to Hindu girls had become a hot potato issue in politically sensitive Uttar Pradesh during the 2014 elections with Adityanath and others calling it a threat to national security. On its website, under the section ‘ideology’, HYV cites a write-up that says, “the journey of Islam from jihad to love jihad”.

The numbers

Between 2014 and October 2016, 389 cases of underage girls missing or kidnapped were registered by the district police. Superintendent of Police Bharat Kumar Yadav says, “No parents would want their daughters to marry willingly. Sometimes these girls are underage or have no documents to prove their age, in such cases we take their statements in front of a district magistrate. Some of them voluntarily choose to marry the opposite community,” Yadav added. A fact finding report of the All India Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat (AIMMM) on Kushinagar found dozens of cases of rapes and forced kidnappings of young Muslim girls for religious conversion. The report, submitted to Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav in January 2016 blames ‘local goons of HYV’ for the atrocities against girls.

According to AIMMM President Mohammad Sulaiman, who believes all men accused of crimes have a connection with HYV and, the strong influence of HYV and backwardness of the Muslim community in the region is a major factor behind the increasing number of cases. “The Muslims here are backward and socio-economically weak. Many families where the girls were abducted either had no elder male member or their father was a migrant worker, they are helpless and vulnerable.’’

Social exclusion

Almost one-fourth of the country’s Muslim population lives in Uttar Pradesh. Within the state, 36 per cent of the minority community is concentrated to the east. However, in Kushinagar, which borders Gorakhpur district on the eastern end and also Bihar, the Muslim population is a mere 16 per cent. Despite the communal fault lines, the social dynamic in this part of the state has been a syncretic one — cultural and social practices in this part bordering Bihar are so syncretic that it’s hard to differentiate a Muslim from a Hindu. Many Muslims share common Hindu names, women sport red bindis and even celebrate the popular Chhath festival. Yet, trivial issues like land demarcation, the size of the taziya (Muharram procession), sexual harassment and love affairs can snowball into violent communal flare-ups, revealing how volatile things actually are. Muslim families live on the periphery of villages and some are even segregated by a village wall.

Eastern Uttar Pradesh has a high poverty rate and low literacy rate, low income and low socioeconomic status. Most of the population here is rural based and dependent on the cultivation of sugarcane — the only profitable crop in Kushinagar. Over the last few years, more than half the sugar mills have closed down. As a result, men have migrated to urban areas for better prospects. Suleiman found that girls who were abducted and disappeared belonged to such families. Local journalist from Padrauna, Muhammad Anwaar Siddiqui who extensively reported on the cases of reverse Love Jihad said many of these girls are untraced; others remain silent fearing stigma and ostracism. “Families try hard to keep news of such incidents tight as the girls are still to be married off. Only a few of such cases are lodged with the police as the girls say they are harassed and threatened by the abusers who happen to be neighbours in the same village, pressurising to withdraw the complaints,’’ he said.

Tale of a village divided

In October 2016, Advocate Satyendra Rai received an appeal from his client Bhulai alias Habib Ansari to withdraw the case of his daughter from the Juvenile Justice Board, Kushinagar. “He said he wanted to get his daughter married and if the case is still in the court, no one would marry her.’’ In March 2014, Noori was abducted from her home in Gauri Sriram by four men from the Hindu community and was gang raped. She returned home 10 days later. Noori gave a statement to the magistrate in which she identified the four men, including a juvenile. The families of the accused harassed her after her father filed an FIR, she said. Her family was forced to withdraw the cases and drop the names of accused, who lived in the village and roamed around freely.

“But only the juvenile was imprisoned. The remaining names were dropped by the police,’’ Rai said. Villagers allege that the accused are all HYV members. On the behest of the local family of one Munna Shahi, the Muslim community of this hamlet has now been segregated by a 500-meter wall. “The whole village knows Munna Shahi is from HVY. He and his men have created terror in the village,’’ said Munni, a villager.

In the same village, third year BA student Sameena Khatun says she lives in fear everyday. It started when she was threatened and physically assaulted by a neighbour named Santosh. “Woh humko bhaga ke le jane ke liye aaya tha, aur kya? (He came to kidnap me, what else?).’’ What saved her is her loud scream that got the attention of her relatives. “He belongs to HYV. Wohi toh sab jagah danga karvate hai (They engineer riots).’’ The FIR filed by her mentions Santosh but not the allegation.

MISSING GIRLS IN KUSHINAGAR

116 Number of cases in 2014
137 Number of cases in 2015
136 Number of cases in 2016 (till Oct)

LOVE JIHAD

Love Jihad, a controversial term used to describe an affair or marriage between a Muslim man and a Hindu woman, under the guise of religious conversion, surfaced around 2009 in BJP ruled Karnataka. The term soon entered the political lexicon when similar cases were flagged off in UP, Madhya Pradesh and Kerala with right-wing organisations like the RSS and the BJP alleging a conspiracy by the Muslim community targeting Hindu women who were honey trapped for conversion to Islam.

Kushinagar — a communal cauldron

Intimidation by the HYV runs deep in Kushinagar, popular in the tourist circuit as the resting place of Lord Buddha, the place of Mahanirvana. Gorakhpur activist Parvez Parvaz says it is a ground for experimenting with communalism for the right-wing HYV. “The Muslim community is socially very weak and the HYV has a free hand as it has the support and backing of Adityanath. They instigate communal violence and hatred wherever they reach,’’ he said.

In 2008, after Parvez moved Allahabad High Court, police filed a case against five BJP leaders, including Adityanath and party workers, for instigating communal riots in Gorakhpur. The 2007 riots had lasted a fortnight with 10 members of the Muslim community being killed. The Supreme Court had halted prosecution against the accused and asked the Uttar Pradesh government to submit its report. “This case had reined in the terror of HYV in Gorakhpur. Before 2007, MP Adityanath would be on ground, giving hate speeches and riling up HYV youth against the Muslims,” Parvez said.

Senior lawyer and Kushinagar resident Shafiullah Khan has defended hundreds of HYV activists in courts after the 2007 Gorakhpur riots. “Kushinagar is undoubtedly the biggest ground for HYV. Every village has a saffron board with the names of local members and office bearers displayed at the entrance.’’ HYV’s influence can be seen when its members take to the streets flaunting saffron scarves. “The police and the administration will not take any action against an HYV member. Till date, there has been no conviction of any HYV member in a communal case, as their names never appear in the charge sheet,’’ Khan said.

With the multiphased state elections beginning February 11, Muslims are fearful of violence breaking out. Muzaffarnagar riots, that began with an incident of harassment of a Hindu Jaat girl by a Muslim boy are still a fresh reference on how things can go bad.

Kushinagar is reeling from communal clashes in Batrauli village in October during Navratri and Muharram procession. More than 50 Muslim families were on the run, their houses locked, shops and jaggery making units destroyed. It started on a bizarre note when the sarpanch (village chief) came riding on an elephant wanting to carry a procession through the narrow lanes adjoining the local mosque which was objected by the Muslim community. Within minutes the crowd gathered and set houses of the Muslims on fire. Local families said many from this crowd were outsiders belonging to the HYV. Sensing a flare-up, police stepped in and prevented HYV leaders including Rajeshwar Singh from visiting Batrauli on the day of the riots.

The administration says it is on an alert for any communal violence and acts directly on any complaint—in a neutral stance it has registered cases against both Hindus and Muslims. HYV leader Singh, hoping for an election ticket, has demanded that the administration release the Hindu men and drop their names. “This riot was done by the Muslims; they have run away and burnt their houses. Not a single Hindu will be arrested in this case,’’ he said.

District Magistrate Shambhu Kumar rejected the claim of HYV’s command on police. “They like to project themselves as powerful. We are controlling the situation,” said Kumar.

Families try hard to keep news of incidents tight as the girls are still to be married off. Only a few of such cases are lodged with the police as the girls say they are harassed and threatened by the abusers who happen to be neighbours in the same village, pressurising to withdraw the complaints

— Muhammad Anwaar Siddiqui, Local journalist

My family is angry because I married a Hindu. Every couple has some problems, we also had some. I do everything as a Hindu, pray to god, fast and live as my in-laws tell me to do

— Zubeida alias Ameesha Thakur, a convert

No parents would want their daughters to marry willingly. Sometimes these girls are underage or have no documents to prove their age, in such cases we take their statements in front of a district magistrate. Some of them voluntarily choose to marry the opposite community

— Bharat Kumar Yadav, Superintendent of Police

Courtesy: DNA

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46 COMMENTS

  1. Evil has struck in India. Muslims must unite to rescue the poor girls.
    We want our Muslim folks to gather all the information & take necessary as soon as possible.
    Muslims wake up & help your own people
    We are outsiders & cannot help other than writing to leaders.
    But Muslim Leaders have also no voice in India. Only ALLAH SWT can
    help . Look at the site of Kashmir.

    • @The Plain truth
      Allah will not help as Allah says you have to do something. Allah gave you Muslim Leaders, Azam Khan, Nasimuddin Sidiqee, Maulana Mahmud Madni, Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, Maulana Arshad Madni, Jamit Ulema, Javed Akhtar, Muslimm Mahila Andolan, Rashtriya Ulema Council, SDPI, Popular front, Muslim League AiML, AIMIM, Owaisee, Jamate Islami Hind, All India Sufi Conference, Ahle Hadees, Reza Academy. Approach thm, pressure your leaders. These people only talk about Palestine/Syria. They don’t resolve local problems. If they don’t listen, enlighten Muslims against these self assumed leaders.

      In Pakistan, Hindu community took to the street against forced conversion(as they claim), India has 20 crore Muslims. Why silent over forced conversion???

    • @The Plain truth
      Allah will not help as Allah says you have to do something. Allah gave you Muslim Leaders, Azam Khan, Nasimuddin Sidiqee, Maulana Mahmud Madni, Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, Maulana Arshad Madni, Jamit Ulema, Javed Akhtar, Muslimm Mahila Andolan, Rashtriya Ulema Council, SDPI, Popular front, Muslim League AiML, AIMIM, Owaisee, Jamate Islami Hind, All India Sufi Conference, Ahle Hadees, Reza Academy. Approach thm, pressure your leaders. These people only talk about Palestine/Syria. They don’t resolve local problems. If they don’t listen, enlighten Muslims against these self assumed leaders.

      In Pakistan, Hindu community took to the street against forced conversion(as they claim), India has 20 crore Muslims and thousands of Muslim NGOs , Ulemas, Leaders, Progressive Muslims etc. Why are they silent over forced conversion? Where is Mahila Andolan? Write to them as they are fighting for dignity of Muslim women.

    • We can’t blame Hindus for that. Kashmir problem is in fact war between two families , Farooq Abdullah Vs Mufti. Both looted Kashmiris with the help of Congress, Janta Dal or BJP. Why Farooq hijacked the election of 1989 in K&K. Why Mufti Saeed sent Jagmohan to Kashmir. Why these two families still powerfull and wealthy at the cost of Kashmiris lives. Who asked Muslim to remain dispersed even before UP election.

  2. shame on you guys, I am resident of Kushinagar nothing such is happening there. still i asked my muslims freind and they also told me nothing such happend. this is just a try give religious color to election nothing else. # morons

    • Freind Ambikesh,

      If i agree with you what you say is correct. Then why our INDIAN paid MEDIA always show communal news.

  3. Where is the Main Stream Media now. Why they are not highlighting these issues now.
    Hypocrate INDIAN Media please show this news also in your news channels.

    • Muslims always shout against media.. calling them biased.. then why don’t you start your own channel? 20 cr population cannot start a single TV channel.. its really shameful.

      • Please ask the hypocrites who is afraid of us that we will expose these hypocrite if they give us liciense to open a news channel. It’s not shameful on us it’s shameful on those hypocrites who talk about freedom of speach and dont follow it.

        • Tell me a single case where muslims applied for news channel license & government did not give it. Do not shout against hindus. The real problem is muslims community have failed to up bring them self. No body has stopped muslims to present their views through TV news channel.

          • So you agree that the INDIAN MEDIA is baised and they will show the communal news and target Muslims.
            The only way out is Muslims have to raise up and open there own news channel to show the truth.
            For your kind information PEAC TV was not given downlinking permission and the reason given was you are showing TRUTH on your channel and we will not allow the people of INDIA to hear the TRUTH and accept the TRUTH. PEACT TV applied for PEACE NEWS and it was rejected.

          • The PeaceTV application was rejected because they run programs of Zakir who openly shows religious conversions & insults other religions. Their intention is promoting Islam through insulting other religions. I was asking you about a news channel..

          • Article 25, of Constitution of India gives birth right to its citizen to preach propagate and practise the religion of its choice.
            Zakir Naik was using his fundamental right of propagation and people who like his message they were accepting it, So what is the problem in it?
            I challenge you to show me a single statement of Zakir Naik where he Insults other religions?
            For your kind information he appilied for (PEACE TV NEWS) That is full time news channel even that was rejected.

          • @Secular Muslim,
            Here are the quotes from Zakir insulting Hinduism:
            1) According to hindu scriptures Muhammad is a Kalki avataar & if you are a true hindu then you must convert into Islam.
            2) Zakir publicly insults lord Ganesha.
            3) Ramayana & Mahabharat are myths.
            4) Lord Ram was non-vegetarian.
            5) We cannot allow to build temples & churches in Islamic countries since all these religions are false religions.
            6) He gives one sided quotes from hindu scriptures to prove his point. He has been told many times by hindu scholars that it is not the correct meaning of those shlokas. However, he safely ignores & insults hinduism to get more donation from Islamic countries.
            Such a liar cannot be allowed to be seen in Peace TV. You must be aware that Peace TV is banned in several countries so far.

          • @Secular Hindu,
            Please find below answers:
            1) According to hindu scriptures Muhammad is a Kalki avataar & if you are a true hindu then you must convert into Islam. (That’s what the Hindu Scriptures says, and he quotes if you don’t believe in Hindu Scriptures that is your problem.)
            2) Zakir publicly insults lord Ganesha. (He only narrates what Hindus believe about Lord Ganesha, If that is not your version of believe, then Please tell me what is your believe about Lord Ganesha.)
            3) Ramayana & Mahabharat is myths. (Please prove if Ramayana & Mahabharat is not Myth.)
            4) Lord Ram was non-vegetarian. (That’s what the Hindu Scriptures says)
            5) We cannot allow to build temples & churches in Islamic countries since all these religions are false religions. (“What wrong in this statement? Can you please explain?)
            6) He gives one sided quotes from hindu scriptures to prove his point. He has been told many times by hindu scholars that it is not the correct meaning of those shlokas. However, he safely ignores & insults hinduism to get more donation from Islamic countries. (For your kind information when he had a dialogue with Sri Sri Ravi Shankhar in Bangalore (Guru Ji agreed with all his quotes which he quoted from Hindu Scriptures, Please watch his dialogue and question & Answer session)
            Such a liar cannot be allowed to be seen in Peace TV. You must be aware that Peace TV is banned in several countries so far. (Peace TV has a viewer ship of 100 Million people across the globe you mean to say all this people are listening to a liar common have some common sense don’t be so illogical and rational in your approach.) (Peace TV is only banned in INDIA and Bangladesh.)

          • @Secular Muslim
            1) Kalki avataar is going to happen at the end of Kali yug i.e. after 4.25 lac years. It is clearly mentioned in Bhavishya puranas. However, your famous meat eater Zakir deliberately ignores it. Another point is, Bhavishya puranas say that at the time of Kalki avataar, the hight of cows will shorter as a sheep. Zakir is deliberately ignoring such facts & only giving the quotes where he finds convenience.
            2) In narration of Ganesha story, he says if Ganesh’s father lord shiva cannot control his anger then how he is called as god? This is a foolish & immature statement & this meat eater will never understand the formation of universe as per Vedic science.
            3) Can you prove Muhammad was messenger of God? You believe that an angel revealied Quran for 23 years & every thing written in Quran is a word of God. Can you prove it? I see all these stories as pure myths. Many hindus say that Muhammad has copied Bhagwatgeeta & written Quran. What you say about this?
            Ramayan & Mahabharat are our religious scriptures. There are tons of evidences of its truth. Do you have a single evedence of your angel who revealied Quran?
            4) Lord Ram had given promise to his mother that he would not touch meat in ‘Wanvaas’. But that does not mean that he used to consume the meat. Mahatma Gandhi had also given promise to his mother that he would not consume meat & alcohol while studying in England.. does that mean he was consuming it earlier? You meat eaters do not have purity to understand hindu scriptures.
            5) Considering other religions as false & if this is the justification of banning temples in Saudi then all 40 thousand mosques including Babri masjid demolition which were built after destroying temples is also correct. Hindus will not allow any mosque in India.
            6) In hinduism, a person who consumes meat is considered as lowest grade & sinful person. Such a person does not have authority to even touch our Vedas. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has clearly mentioned that Zakir is a lower grade person & he is misquoting hindu scriptures. Please watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3tV11ReL-I

            Now the main point is starting news channel by Indian muslims. You could give me only one name i.e. Peace TV. 20 cr population has tried to open only one channel? & that is too controversial? Hence the essence of discussion is, muslims only shout against Indian news channel & they do not have potential to start their own news channel.

          • @Secular Hindu
            1) Kalki avataar is going to happen at the end of Kali yug i.e. after 4.25 lac years. It is clearly mentioned in Bhavishya puranas. However, your famous meat eater Zakir deliberately ignores it. Another point is, Bhavishya puranas say that at the time of Kalki avataar, the hight of cows will shorter as a sheep. Zakir is deliberately ignoring such facts & only giving the quotes where he finds convenience. (He is giving talks on Islam and comparative religion from past 25 years then why didn’t your scholars debate with and prove that he is quoting out of context)
            2) In narration of Ganesha story, he says if Ganesh’s father lord shiva cannot control his anger then how he is called as god? This is a foolish & immature statement & this meat eater will never understand the formation of universe as per Vedic science. (That is a logical statement you don’t want to accept the TRUTH so you say foolish and immature statement.)
            3) Can you prove Muhammad was messenger of God? You believe that an angel revealied Quran for 23 years & every thing written in Quran is a word of God. Can you prove it? I see all these stories as pure myths. Many hindus say that Muhammad has copied Bhagwatgeeta & written Quran. What you say about this? (For complete answer you can watch the talk of Zakir naik on the subject IS THE QURAN GOD’S WORD, you will get answer for your question. And if you are in doubt about the Quran and [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. But if you do not – and you will never be able to – then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.
            Ramayan & Mahabharat are our religious scriptures. There are tons of evidences of its truth. Do you have a single evedence of your angel who revealied Quran? (Can you please share some evidence with me?)
            4) Lord Ram had given promise to his mother that he would not touch meat in ‘Wanvaas’. But that does not mean that he used to consume the meat. Mahatma Gandhi had also given promise to his mother that he would not consume meat & alcohol while studying in England.. does that mean he was consuming it earlier? You meat eaters do not have purity to understand hindu scriptures. (Then why it is mentioned in MANUSMITHI that you have sacrifices animals for GOD.)
            5) Considering other religions as false & if this is the justification of banning temples in Saudi then all 40 thousand mosques including Babri masjid demolition which were built after destroying temples is also correct. Hindus will not allow any mosque in India. (For your kind information INDIA is democratic country which runs on CONSTITUTION and Article 25 of CONSTITUTION of INDIA gives birth right to its citizen to preach propagate and practice the religion of its choice.) (Saudi Arabia is ISLAMIC country and their CONSTITUTION is QURAN they follow that. IS INDIA A HINDU COUNTRY?
            6) In hinduism, a person who consumes meat is considered as lowest grade & sinful person. Such a person does not have authority to even touch our Vedas. Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has clearly mentioned that Zakir is a lower grade person & he is misquoting hindu scriptures. Please watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3tV11ReL-I (That he says after the dialogue not in the dialogue.) (Who was stopping him to say during the dialogue?)
            Now the main point is starting news channel by Indian muslims. You could give me only one name i.e. Peace TV. 20 cr population has tried to open only one channel? & that is too controversial? Hence the essence of discussion is, muslims only shout against Indian news channel & they do not have potential to start their own news channel. (So now the main point is INDIAN news are communal and they can go to any extent to defame another religion?)

          • @Secular Muslim
            1) Why should hindu scholars give response to a meat eater? Why should they downgrade their level? Few hindu scholars have given answers to his rubbish questions. But since he is pretending to sleep, he is not accepting the real truth.
            2) Since you have no background of Vedic science, I do not want to waste my time in explaining. First you give up meat consumption, get purified & then I will answer it.
            3) Muhammad’s uncle was follower of lord Shiva & Muhammad destroyed Shiva’s temple & built Kaba. We believe that Quran verses have been copied from Bhagwatgeeta. Hindu can never give status of religion to Islam because meat consumption is allowed in Islam.
            According to hinduism, buddhism & Jainism, meat consumption is a severe sin. Lord Buddha says that if human being kills one animal then he/she will have to get slaughtered 500 times. Now just think what will happen to muslim. A normal muslim cuts one animal per day.. so in his life term he kills around 25000 animals.. now just think.. how many times a muslim has to get slaughtered 25000* 500 = 1.25 crore times. And you say that you are on right path.. its really funny.
            I have watched Zakir’s video on ‘Is Quran a word of God’.. I found it very pathetic & nothing new. I think Islam is made for barbaric people who used to bury girl child alive.
            You want proof for Ramayan & Mahabharat? There are tons of proofs. You must be aware that Mahabharat happened 5000 years ago & supreme lord Krishna revealied ‘Bhagwatgeeta’ during war time. If Mahabharat is a myth then how come Bhagwatgeeta came into picture. The places mentioned Ramayan & Mahabharat are existing.. for example Rameshwar, Kurukshetra, Sita gumfa, Dronacharya temple etc. If muslims can not count more than 1400 years ago then it is not our problem.
            4) Manusmriti has never mentioned that we should sacrifise animals for GOD. Zakir presents wrong translations. There are only two shlokas 5/35 & 5/30 which are presented by muslims to prove that meat consumption is allowed. The real truth is you are refering to the translation of a author who had poor knowledge of Sanskrit. The correct meaning of those shlokas have been given many times by hindu scholars but it is deliberately ignored. I am going to give you the shlokas where hinduism criticises supporting meat consumtpion. Please read my separate post below this.
            5) Who decides to make a country secular or insecular.. the people right? Muslims make their countries as Islamic but non-muslim countries they demand to make secular.. this is all hypocrisy. Now hindus start believing that they have committed the blunder to make Indian constitution secular. Indias constitution should have been based upon hinduism. We believe that India is a hindu country.. however, minority rights should be protected but that does not mean minority try to become majority & become threat to our existance.
            6) Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has spoken so many things but Zakir editted his wordings & presented only those which suits him.
            I partially agree that Indian news channels sometimes show communal news & try to defame Islam. But this is also a fact that Indian muslims do not have potential to start their own news channel. You only like to criticize but you never taken responsibility of your own community & hence muslims have remained socially backward community.

          • @ Secular Hindu,
            1) Because Hindu scholars are alleging that he is quoting your scriptures out of context. If he is quoting out of context challenge him and prove him wrong? Since they don’t have any answers how can they challenge him?
            2) Give me one logical reason why should I give up eating meat?
            3) That is your false assumptions. Kaba is there since time in memorial since man set foot on earth.
            It is ADAM (PBUH) was the first to build KABA not MOHAMMED (SWS). Just because someone believe something that does not become fact. Can you prove that Quran verses have been copied from Bhagwatgeeta? Define religion? Then we can discuss about giving status of religion to ISALM or not. Who is Lord Buddha? Why should I believe what Lord Buddha says? You find very pathetic I know it’s very difficult to accept the TRUTH. Again you are making an allegation without proof. What is proof you have that supreme lord Krishna revealed ‘Bhagwatgeeta’?
            4) Where is your separate post?
            5) The Constitution of INDIA was not framed by the MUSLIMS. Except SAUDI ARABIA all other Muslim countries are secular. We believe that INDIA is a secular country and INDIA will remain secular country. That’s what I am trying to tell you. You have been brain washed by the hate mongers for their political gain that Muslims are threat to your existence. Actually we are not we are peace loving people we want to live in harmony and peace with our HINDU BROTHERS irrespective of our difference.
            6) Zakir Naik has not edited anything from the debate. If I agree with you for the sake of argument that, Just because a community does not have the potential to start a news channel that is their inability. That does not give a Majority community to defame Minority community. They should follow the ethics of Journalism.

      • Muslims wouldn’t need “their own channel” if the Indian media was impartial, ethical, and professional. What’s truly shameful is how Hindus like you will never address the core issue and engage in endless deflections to cover up the truth.

    • Rather than debating without benefit, Please go through the following for detailed, referenced and simplified information on True teachings of Islam and decide for yourselves:

      http://www.islam-guide.com

      May God/Eishwar/Allah guide us to the Truth and the straight path.

    • Will AIMPLB (All India Muslim Personal Law Board) start accepting responsibility and some proactive work for the community?
      Will it update/modernise it’s website in Hindi,English and Urdu?
      What happened to all Wakf properties all over India?
      Does Jamiatul-Ulema or AIMPLB have offices and libraries in all major cities of India for guidance and support to the needy?

  4. Hi friends,

    We all are living in Secular Country India, not in Arab. So please respect each other’s religion. I am also going to marry a Muslim girl she has progressive thoughts. Secularism is the core of our country.

    Jai Hind

    • Dear Friend,

      We Muslims respect other religions. As Allah says in the Quran “There is compulsion in religion” “Truth stand out clear from falsehood”.

      Please tell to those hate mongers who talk about “love Jihad” who are preaching hate and violence in this country.

      We Muslims always stand for Peace and tollerence.

      • Small Correction : As Allah says in the Quran

        “There is NO compulsion in religion”

        We Muslims always stand for Peace and Tolerance.

        • Are you sure? “There is NO compulsion in religion in Islam”? I think you have not read your scriptures correctly.
          According to Islamic scriptures, if a muslim converts to another religion then he/she will be given death punishment. This law is presently being followed in Iran.

          • I am 100% sure.
            Your thinking is 100% wrong.
            Can you tell me which verse of Quran or Hadith says that if a Muslim converts to another religion then he/ she will be given death punishment.
            I don’t know what Iran follows. If what you say is correct about Iran then it is 100% wrong and they are not following ISLAM.

          • @Secular Hindu,
            You are giving a link of YouTube. Here it shows how illogical and rational you are in your approach.
            The video is uploaded by someone daielallah after editing. If you have any authentic clip please share don’t share video clips which is edited and uploaded by some unknown persons.

          • @Secular Muslim,
            You say that the youtube link is edited.. lets assume its true, but whatever portion is shown in this video, it is definately said by Zakir himself. I have observed that when Zakir reamains in Islamic countries, he gives hate speach against other religions & in other countries he tries to clarify it. If you search “zakir naik on death sentence if muslim converts” in youtube, you will find several videos where he is clarifying what he said earlier was misquoted. But finally he accepts that if a muslim converts to another religion & speaks or propagates againsts Islam then death punishment should be given. Now you tell me where is a “freedom of speach” in Islam? Hence Islam is a narrow minded religion.

          • @Secular Hindu,
            Again you are misquoting Zakir Naik. If a Muslim converts another religion and propagates falsehood against Islam and abuses our Prophet (SWS) then he should be given death penalty. A person has full right to criticize Islam but not Insult. You should understand there is thin line between criticism and insult. You tell me if a person converts from Hinduism to Islam and start spreading falsehood about Hinduism and start abusing the GOD’S of Hindus what will you people do to him? That time also you will talk about “Freedom of Speech”. ?

    • Rubbish. India is a Hindu fascist state masquerading as a secular democracy. Muslims aren’t allowed to marry idol worshippers, nothing to do with Arabs as you falsely assert. Lets see how many “progressive” Hindu women will marry and have Muslim children, and how you “secular Hindus” react to that!

      • If India is such a bad country to stay ,just leave it and go to any of the Islamic country or to the new friedn of Islam- China,who has already shown muslims their worthlessness by banning Ramadaan,Hijab, and namaz at public places.In any case muslims were foreign invadors in India and not native to this great land.Just see around and you would find muslims fighting everywhere.In nonislamic countries they are fighting with native peoples and in islamic countries muslims are fighting muslims .killing each other.
        We also want to see how many muslim women are allowed to marry hindu men and produce hindu children.Even today we can count large no. of Hindu women married to Muslim men and most of them divorced also after using them as child producing machines ,as you muslims likes women to be .But you can hardly count few Muslim women married to hindu men.
        This is the real face of redical Islam which has overtaken real islam which was sufi islam and not Salafi islam imposed by Arabs.
        So pls dont try to teach secularism to Hindus .Remember India is secular as long as majority Hindu community is secular.The day Hindu become communal ,Redical Muslims will have no place to hide .

        • Another delusional and retarded Hindu fascist babbling nonsense. Who the hell are you to tell me to leave India? I don’t need your permission to speak the truth. In 70 years of independence Hindus like you reduced the country to a Hindu fascist corporation. In a truly secular country, Hindu terrorists like Modi would never have the PM. Your knowledge of global geopolitics is laughable, there are conflicts and wars all over the world involving non-Muslims so your point falls flat. Lying comes so naturally to Hindu fanatics. You’re in no position to lecture on women considering you commit female infanticide in your own “religion.” Those Hindu women who survive to adulthood must then cope with the rape culture you lot practice. In order for India to become a truly secular country, Hindu extremists and fanatics should be eradicated. Simple facts and logic

      • In every case India was a hindu country, is a hindu country & will remain hindu country forever. We will never allow to create another Pakistan here. Common hindus are secular & they do not have any problem in muslims staying in India until they do not become threat to our existence.
        You favorite love jihad, dozens of children, terrorism are seen as threats to hindus & hence hindus do not have any sympathy for muslims.
        If you do not like India then why don’t you leave this country? You can stay in any other Islamic country & then you will realize the freedom you are enjoying in India.

        • The fake “secular hindu” exposes his fanatic hypocrisy and stupidity again. What a childish liar and paranoid RSS buffoon thinking 80% of the population is in danger of eradication by a minority. Why should those who disagree with your filthy toxic Hindu fanatic ideology leave the country? We have the full right to express ourselves, and we will do it regardless of what any dirty hindutva fascist thinks. We’re not going anywhere, so get over it! It’s a democratic country right? Emotional uneducated idiots like you haven’t even read the constitution of the India. India is NOT a Hindu country but a secular one with NO state religion, nor can Hindu fanatics force their Hitlerian ideology millions of non-Hindu Indian citizens.
          We don’t engage in “love Jihad,” paranoid fool, it’s not our problem that your own women find you repulsive and look elsewhere. Can’t say I blame them because millions of Hindu females are killed by infanticide by Hindus every year. You should hang your head in shame, hypocrite.
          Hindu fanatics and extremists must be eradicated to save India from disintegration.

  5. what a senseless and funny article by this author.When muslim boy marries a hindu girl ,it becomes character of secular country,freedome of personal choice etc.But when a Hindu boy marries a muslim girl it becomes a case of gundaism ,reverse love jihad ,grave communalism.
    So many talks of muslims being socially and economically backward in India,however have some thought why a community which invaded and ruled this country for almost 800 yrs.just before british rule,is in such pathatic conditions today?
    Pseudo secular auhtors like this are the biggest problem of Muslims in India.As long as muslims act as a religious group,vote negatively against one perticular party as a vote bank they would continue to be in such conditions.Even their Khuda can not uplift them.
    While muslims vociforusly swear by Allah not to vote for BJP,They want BJP govts to do all the welfare and extend all freebies to them.Thats not going to happen .

  6. Hindu kidnappers and rapists should be prosecuted to the extent of the law and promptly executed to set an example. How date they forcibly covert anyone. Muslim women must be protected from these fiends(including the police which aids and abets Hindu kidnapper and rapists).

    • Most of Indian muslims were hindus earlier. They were forcefully converted into Islam by Mughal kings.. & still you like them? its really funny.
      Just find out your past generations, you will find that you were hindu earlier.

      • You’re just repeating an old common Hindu fanatic lie. It shows your fascist mindset and lack of education. 93% of Indians are the descendants of outsiders. My ancestors were not Hindu, RSS buffoon, you don’t know me not my families history. Why is 80% of the Indian population Hindu if your ancestors were forced to convert Islam throughout centuries of Muslim rule? You’re an ignorant fool with no grasp of your own history. Most Mughal kings had no interest in converting Hindus to Islam. I can’t blame anyone for converting though.
        Stop living in the imaginary past. The point is YOU support kidnapping and forced of conversion of Muslim women in 2017. This serious crime will be punished with or without the law. Hindus kidnappers, rapists and force converters should be eradicated.

  7. @Secular Muslim
    Quotes in hinduism that disapprove, even denounce, meat-eating
    1) “One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head.”
    Rig-veda (10.87.16)

    2) “Meat can never be obtained without injury to living creatures, and injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the attainment of heavenly bliss; let him therefore shun the use of meat. Having well considered the disgusting origin of flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying corporeal beings, let him entirely abstain from eating flesh.”
    (Manu-samhita 5.48-49)

    3) “He who permits the slaughter of an animal, he who cuts it up, he who kills it, he who buys or sells meat, he who cooks it, he who serves it up, and he who eats it, must all be considered as the slayers of the animal. There is no greater sinner than that man who though not worshiping the gods or the ancestors, seeks to increase the bulk of his own flesh by the flesh of other beings.”
    (Manu-samhita 5.51-52)

    4) “If he has a strong desire (for meat) he may make an animal of clarified butter or one of flour (and eat that); but let him never seek to destroy an animal without a (lawful) reason. As many hairs as the slain beast has, so often indeed will he who killed it without a (lawful) reason suffer a violent death in future births.”
    (Manu-samhita 5.37-38)

    5) “He who injures harmless creatures from a wish to give himself pleasure, never finds happiness in this life or the next.”
    (Manu-samhita 5.45)

    6) “By subsisting on pure fruits and roots, and by eating food fit for ascetics in the forest, one does not gain so great a reward as by entirely avoiding the use of flesh. Me he [mam sah] will devour in the next world, whose flesh I eat in this life; the wise declare this to be the real meaning of the word ‘flesh’ [mam sah].”
    (Manu-samhita 5.54-55)

    7) “He who does not seek to cause the sufferings of bonds and death to living creatures, (but) desires the good of all (beings), obtains endless bliss. He who does not injure any (creature) attains without an effort what he thinks of, what he undertakes, and what he fixes his mind on.”
    (Manu-samhita 5.46-47)

    8) “By not killing any living being, one becomes fit for salvation.”
    (Manu-samhita 6.60)

    9) “He who desires to augment his own flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures, lives in misery in whatever species he may take his [next] birth.”
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.47)

    10) “The purchaser of flesh performs violence by his wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its taste; the killer does violence by actually tying and killing the animal. Thus, there are three forms of killing. He who brings flesh or sends for it, he who cuts off the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases, sells, or cooks flesh and eats it–all these are to be considered meat-eaters.”
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.40)

    11) “The sins generated by violence curtail the life of the perpetrator. Therefore, even those who are anxious for their own welfare should abstain from meat-eating.”
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.33)

    12) Bhishma started, “Numberless discourses took place between the Rishis on this subject, O scion of Kuru’s race. Listen, O Yudhisthira, what their opinion was.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.7)

    13) “The highly wise seven celestial Rishis, the Valakshillyas, and those Rishis who drink the rays of the sun, all speak highly of abstention from meat. The self-created Manu has said that the man who does not eat meat, or who does not kill living creatures, or who does not cause them to be killed, is a friend of all creatures. Such a man is incapable of being oppressed by any creature. He enjoys the confidence of all living beings. He always enjoys the praise of the pious. The virtuous Narada has said that that man who wishes to multiply his own flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures meets with disaster.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.9-12)

    14) “That man, who having eaten meat, gives it up afterwards wins merit by such a deed that is so great that a study of all the Vedas or a performance, O Bharata, of all the sacrifices [Vedic rituals], cannot give its like.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.16)

    15) “That learned person who gives to all living creatures the gift of complete assurance is forsooth regarded as the giver of lifebreaths in this world.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.18)

    16) “Men gifted with intelligence and purified souls should always treat others as they themselves wish to be treated. It is seen that even those men who are endued with learning and who seek to acquire the greatest good in the shape of liberation, are not free of the fear of death.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.20)

    17) “What necessity be said of those innocent and healthy creatures gifted with love of life, when they are sought to be killed by sinful wretches living by slaughter? Therefore, O King, know that the discarding of meat is the highest refuge of religion, of the celestial region, and of happiness. Abstention of injury [to others] is the highest religion. It is, again, the highest penance. It is also the highest truth from which all duty emanates.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.21-23)

    18) “Flesh cannot be had from grass or wood or stone. Unless a living creature is killed it cannot be procured. Hence is the fault of eating flesh. The celestials who live upon Svaha, Svadha, and nectar, are given to truth and sincerity. Those persons, however, who are for satisfying the sensation of taste, should be known as Rakshasas [flesh-eating demons] pervaded by the quality of Darkness.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.24-25)

    19) “If there were nobody who ate flesh, then there would be nobody to slay living creatures. The man who slays living creatures kills them for the sake of the person who eats flesh. If flesh were not considered as food, there would then be no destruction of living creatures. It is for the sake of the eater that the destruction of living entities is carried on in the world. Since, O you of great splendor, the period of life is shortened by persons who kill living creatures or cause them to be killed, it is clear that the person who seeks his own good should give up meat altogether. Those dreadful persons who are engaged in the destruction of living beings never find protectors when they are in need. Such persons should always be molested and punished even as beast of prey.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.29-32)

    20) “That man who seeks to multiply his own flesh by (eating) the flesh of others has to live in this world in great anxiety, and after death has to take birth in indifferent races and families. High Rishis given to the observance of vows and self-control have said that abstention from meat is worthy of praise, productive of fame and Heaven, and a great satisfaction itself. This I heard formerly, O son of Kunti, from Markandeya when that Rishi discoursed on the sins of eating flesh.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.34-36)

    21) “He who purchases flesh, kills living creatures through his money. He who eats flesh, kills living beings through his eating. He who binds or seizes and actually kills living creatures is the slaughterer. These are the three sorts of slaughter through each of these acts. He who does not himself eat flesh but approves of an act of slaughter, becomes stained with the sin of slaughter.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.38-39)

    22) “That wretched man who kills living creatures for the sake of those who would eat them commits great sin. The eater’s sin is not as great. That wretched man who, following the path of religious rites and sacrifices as laid down in the Vedas, would kill a living creature from a desire to eats its flesh, will certainly go to hell. That man who having eaten flesh abstains from it afterwards acquires great merit on account of such abstention from sin. He who arranges for obtaining flesh, he who approves of those arrangements, he who kills, he who buys or sells, he who cooks, and he who eats it, [acquire the sin of those who] are all considered as eaters of flesh. [Therefore] that man who wishes to avoid disaster should abstain from the meat of every living creature.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.44-48)

    23) “Listen to me, O king of kings, as I tell you this, O sinless one, there is absolute happiness in abstaining from meat, O king. He who practices severe austerities for a century, and he who abstains from meat, are both equally meritorious. This is my opinion.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.115.52-53)

    24) “Yudhisthira said: Alas, those cruel men who, not caring for various other sorts of food, want only flesh, are really like great Rakshasas [meat-eating demons].
    (Mahabharata, Anu.116.1)

    25) “Bhishma said: That man who wishes to increase his own flesh by the meat of another living creature is such that there is none meaner and more cruel than he. In this world there is nothing that is dearer to a creature than his life. Hence, one should show mercy to the lives of others as he does to his own life. Forsooth, O son, flesh has its origin in the vital seed. There is great sin attached to its eating, as, indeed, there is merit in abstaining from it.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.116.11-13)

    26) “There is nothing, O delighter of the Kurus, that is equal in point of merit, either in this world or in the next, to the practice of mercy to all living creatures.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.116.19)

    27) “Hence a person of purified soul should be merciful to all living creatures. That man, O king, who abstains from every kind of meat from his birth forsooth, acquires a large space in the celestial region. They who eat the flesh of animals who are desirous of life, are themselves [later] eaten by the animals they eat. This is my opinion. Since he has eaten me, I shall eat him in return. This, O Bharata, forms the character as Mamsah [meaning flesh] of Mamsah [me he, or “me he” will eat for having eaten him]. The destroyer is always slain. After him the eater meets with the same fate.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.116.32-35)

    28) “He who acts with hostility towards another becomes victim of similar deeds done by that other. Whatever acts one does in whatever bodies, he has to suffer the consequences thereof in those bodies.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.116.36-37)

    29) “Abstention from cruelty is the highest Religion. Abstention from cruelty is the greatest self-restraint. Abstention from cruelty is the highest gift. Abstention from cruelty is the highest penance. Abstention from cruelty is the highest sacrifice. Abstention from cruelty is the highest power. Abstention from cruelty is the greatest friend. Abstention from cruelty is the greatest happiness.
    (Mahabharata, Anu.116.38-39)

    30) “Gifts made in all sacrifices [rituals], ablutions performed in all sacred water, and the merit which one acquires from making all kinds of gifts mentioned in the scriptures, all these do not equal in merit abstention from cruelty.”
    (Mahabharata, Anu.116.40)

    31) “Those who are ignorant of real dharma and, though wicked and haughty, account themselves virtuous, kill animals without any feeling of remorse or fear of punishment. Further, in their next lives, such sinful persons will be eaten by the same creatures they have killed in this world.”
    (Bhagavata Purana 11.5.14)

    • @ Secular Hindu,
      I didn’t ask you to give me the quotes from Hindu scriptures; I ask for the logical reasons not the quotation from Hindu scriptures? Anyways please find my below reply to your quotes:
      1) For your kind information no slaughter house purchases a milking cow and no milk man sells a milking cow. An average price of milking cow is 30000 to 40000 (INR) after it has passed the milking age it will cost you around 3000 to 5000 (INR). After it has passed the age of milking it is sold to the slaughter house to use its meat for eating.
      2) The survival of human beings is not possible without killing the other living creatures, let me increase your knowledge, when you walk you kill lot of living creatures which is not visible to your naked eyes, if you breath you kill lot of living creatures which are not visible to your naked eyes.
      3) I worship the (TRUE GOD) and follow his advice and (TRUE GOD) has advise me to eat the meat.
      4) We slaughter the animal for (lawful) food, and don’t believe in future births, I come in this world once and I die once.
      5) We don’t injuries and harm any creature for pleasure, we only eat few lawful animal.
      6) By eating pure fruits and roots, you are killing them; even plants have life, why you kill plants?
      7) He, who does not seek to cause the sufferings of plants and death to living creatures, (but) desires the good of all (beings), obtains endless bliss. He who does not injure any (creature) attains without an effort what he thinks of, what he undertakes, and what he fixes his mind on.”
      8) So stop taking breath and stop walking on the land and stop killing plants for food.
      9) I don’t believe in next birth.
      10) I am meat- eater because I believe in (TRUE GOD) and he advises me to eat meat.
      11) Why should I abstain from meat eating?

      Here are my few replies if you have any logical arguments please put forward don’t quote from Hindu Scriptures I don’t believe in it.

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